OenarLod
Joined: Jan 26, 2011
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Sep 17, 2014 - 18:27 |
 
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| Overhamsteren wrote: | | Christer wrote: | 2. Descriptions of the divisions
These have been unchanged for a very long time. I am fully aware that the Blackbox description is rough and negative, but you have to realize that the current description is what has been showing on the previous layout for a very long time and people *still* complain that it's too bashy and hard to keep teams alive. It's inherently going to be bashy with the format it uses, and that will mean that teams will get smashed to pieces. In my opinion, the Blackbox division is *supposed* to more or less force-retire teams eventually. Anyway, making that rather harsh description more to the fore-front will hopefully work to reduce the complaints about how teams are ground to pieces eventually. From what I have gathered so far, the latest update to the scheduler made it better for new teams, and you only get to face min-maxed opponents later on. That sounds to me like the change did exactly what I wanted it to do. |
So the bad part is that if you really get to like a team and play it a lot then at some point you will enter the last stage of the box which can be heavy attrition almost every game and you might be forced to retire.
My guess is though that very few coaches build good first teams anyway and rarely keep them around so the long term problem is probably negligible.
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I'm more than happy to be in the negligible part of the FUMBBL community, but if that's the stance of the FUMBBL commissioner (as BigC words suggest) I would like it to be a lot more manifest. Just say in the description: "teams are expected to run for 30 games max".
No more reason to run a
Nominations for the Famous Teams FUMBBL Badge for the Box, if rules are tweaked to "force-retire teams".
At least, give to the negligible part of the community that made the irrecoverable error of building a fluff team in B the option to switch to R.
Mind you, not that I'm sure to use it, I quite like to play the VTS in the Box and I plan to stay there. But I'm sure than the majority of the negligible part of the FUMBBL community just gave up playing their favorite teams... |
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gamelsetlmatch
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Sep 17, 2014 - 18:34 |
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The site wants teams to get force retired? |
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koadah
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Sep 17, 2014 - 18:38 |
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Garion
Joined: Aug 19, 2009
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Sep 17, 2014 - 18:48 |
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 I'm pretty sure he was just saying the division is meant to be brutal. |
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Chainsaw
Joined: Aug 31, 2005
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Sep 17, 2014 - 18:57 |
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koadah
Joined: Mar 30, 2005
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Sep 17, 2014 - 19:11 |
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fidius
Joined: Jun 17, 2011
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Sep 17, 2014 - 19:20 |
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It's possible the description contributes to a self-fulfilling prophecy. |
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the_Sage
Joined: Jan 13, 2011
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Sep 17, 2014 - 19:55 |
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| fidius wrote: | | It's possible the description contributes to a self-fulfilling prophecy. |
This. And no Oenarlod, they're not force-retired, just forced back to a lower TV to rebuild. =D
Respect to 500+ games with humans in the box. |
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OenarLod
Joined: Jan 26, 2011
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Sep 17, 2014 - 20:37 |
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| fidius wrote: | | It's possible the description contributes to a self-fulfilling prophecy. |
Exactly this one.
I'm not whining on CPOMB in any way, neither on getting pixels destroyed. I have no problem rebuilding from scratch (I did it several time).
The problem is that the Box environment got worse in the last month, and min-maxers or killer teams are only a partial explanation. Most players started to think that the Box was doomed and loudly say so, inducing a negative feedback loop. Management decision on the division reinforced it, leading to a "try a team for a few game and that's it" mentality, leaving the mid-high TV box to killers and a few maniacs like me, cameronhawkins, Dunenzed, tmoila and so on.
If even the official stance on division is pointing in that direction, I would like to see it more openly so we can avoid discussions on making the Box a nice place again.
Anyway, sorry BigC for derailing the thread, I will stop here. |
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Balle2000
Joined: Sep 25, 2008
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Sep 17, 2014 - 21:53 |
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| fidius wrote: | | It's possible the description contributes to a self-fulfilling prophecy. |
There might be some truth to this.
Anyway, I too really liked the alternative box description proposed on page 1 of this thread.
Maybe add something like this towards the end:
"You take the blue pill, you believe whatever you want to believe, playing the teams handing you wins by default. You take the red pill, and the Box can show you how far your skill can actually take you."
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mrknify
Joined: Apr 30, 2014
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Nov 16, 2014 - 21:21 |
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| Balle2000 wrote: | | fidius wrote: | | It's possible the description contributes to a self-fulfilling prophecy. |
There might be some truth to this.
Anyway, I too really liked the alternative box description proposed on page 1 of this thread.
Maybe add something like this towards the end:
"You take the blue pill, you believe whatever you want to believe, playing the teams handing you wins by default. You take the red pill, and the Box can show you how far your skill can actually take you."
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Agree.
Of course looking at rules for bb7's would make a great addition to stunty leeg. No star players, poor violent mans league. A player gets too powerful they get drafted to the big games.
This would allow running seasons where a team could play almost indefinatly, drafting out the highly skilled players forces a tactics challenge.
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keggiemckill
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Nov 16, 2014 - 22:36 |
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Black Box: Challenging Division that is not for the sympathetic hearts. Random Opponents of various skill set.
Ranked: Open Division and that provides a spot for optional/ preferred opponent or team choice. |
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