Harad
Joined: May 11, 2014
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Jan 22, 2015 - 09:25 |
 
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The only issue I can really see with this is that there is now a clawpomb legend wandering around at TV1200. And that probably isn't an issue either but it could make for some odd games. |
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Wreckage
Joined: Aug 15, 2004
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Jan 22, 2015 - 09:31 |
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| koadah wrote: | | mrt1212 wrote: | | Garion wrote: | | Dominik wrote: | | Fortis wrote: | | Quote: | | Also, you do understand the matchmaker was designed specifically [s]so that teams like those had to face someone with a similar number of matches played[/s] to try and stop you picking on noobs in the box, right? |
ftfy |
For real? |
Yes for real.
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Boy, did it ever |
And he hasn't played since. |
Lets be realistic, the rule was invented for the sole purpose to make smallman stop playing. |
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albinv
Joined: Sep 15, 2012
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Jan 22, 2015 - 09:44 |
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Sammler_der_Seelen
Joined: Feb 01, 2008
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Jan 22, 2015 - 09:48 |
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Oh noes!! The min max clawpombers are clawpombed?!! That feels damn right:-) , ok back to buisness. |
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Garion
Joined: Aug 19, 2009
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Jan 22, 2015 - 10:39 |
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| Wreckage wrote: | | koadah wrote: | | mrt1212 wrote: | | Garion wrote: | | Dominik wrote: | | Fortis wrote: | | Quote: | | Also, you do understand the matchmaker was designed specifically [s]so that teams like those had to face someone with a similar number of matches played[/s] to try and stop you picking on noobs in the box, right? |
ftfy |
For real? |
Yes for real.
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Boy, did it ever |
And he hasn't played since. |
Lets be realistic, the rule was invented for the sole purpose to make smallman stop playing. |
Yeah it's pretty much true. Though maybe 3 or 4 teams rather than just smallman. This is why I always said keep the scheduler the same but have someone that manages the division and just deletes (after a warning) these stupid teams that stay at a low tv picking on new teams.
It would have been the best way to go imo. |
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koadah
Joined: Mar 30, 2005
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Jan 22, 2015 - 11:01 |
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| Garion wrote: | | Wreckage wrote: | | koadah wrote: |
And he hasn't played since. |
Lets be realistic, the rule was invented for the sole purpose to make smallman stop playing. |
Yeah it's pretty much true. Though maybe 3 or 4 teams rather than just smallman. This is why I always said keep the scheduler the same but have someone that manages the division and just deletes (after a warning) these stupid teams that stay at a low tv picking on new teams.
It would have been the best way to go imo. |
a lot of people were at it. Even dudes some otherwise pretty cool and legendary coaches did it.
Then you still end up meeting teams who are only down there because they were cut down.
And who would do it? I seem to recall you quitting over a team that most did not consider to be min/maxers. Hmm... Harvestmouse maybe? 
"He hasn't played since" was referring to the KenThis link. |
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Garion
Joined: Aug 19, 2009
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Jan 22, 2015 - 11:13 |
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Yeah I know that was Ken this he was talking about. Yes too many were at it. I did quit because of min maxing and its better now but still a seriously flawed scheduler. The old scheduler was perfectly good but people ruined the environment with min maxing. Shadow volunteered to oversee the box exactly as I described. The box with the old scheduler that didn't make silly match ups Like this one. Plus someone stopping min max idiots destroying the site would have worked.
Also the dwarf team I played when I quit the box was after the scheduler change. It was definitely min maxed. It had 1 Blitzer 1 runner then a bunch of killer dwarves playing at a stupidily low tv. |
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Harad
Joined: May 11, 2014
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Jan 22, 2015 - 11:18 |
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Having missed out on years of this sort of debate and at the danger of opening a can of worms...
How does one decide what is minmaxing and what is sensible team management given the inducement rules and scheduling? |
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Garion
Joined: Aug 19, 2009
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Jan 22, 2015 - 11:22 |
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Certainly different people have a different idea about what they think min maxing is. Ultimately this is one of the worst aspects of this rule set TV team management has been terrible for this game.
However back on point - if say shadow was in charge (for arguments sake) he would warn you about min maxing first if you continue then team deleted. Then there is no one to blame but the min maxing coach. |
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PurpleChest
Joined: Oct 25, 2003
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It's almost like the dark musing of 'clawpombers are the biggest pixel huggers' are true. |
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Roland
Joined: May 12, 2004
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Jan 22, 2015 - 11:24 |
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team management only occurs when you know your next opponent already in postmatch state. |
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Mr_Foulscumm
Joined: Mar 05, 2005
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Jan 22, 2015 - 11:35 |
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This thread needs a "Cry me a river" comment.  |
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Mr_Foulscumm
Joined: Mar 05, 2005
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Jan 22, 2015 - 11:36 |
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| PurpleChest wrote: | | It's almost like the dark musing of 'clawpombers are the biggest pixel huggers' are true. |
Wasn't that a given?  |
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DukeTyrion
Joined: Feb 18, 2004
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Jan 22, 2015 - 11:39 |
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| Harad wrote: | Having missed out on years of this sort of debate and at the danger of opening a can of worms...
How does one decide what is minmaxing and what is sensible team management given the inducement rules and scheduling? |
Different people have different views on min-maxing.
From my view, Min-maxing is retiring healthy players, specifically to drop TV. |
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Harad
Joined: May 11, 2014
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Jan 22, 2015 - 11:40 |
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I take your point Roland but when I joined Fumbbl I had no concept of TV as whichever rule set I learned on didn't have this. I simply tried to build the strongest team I could. Not the strongest team for a certain TV. This (along with some terrible coaching) led to some bad results.
Almost every one of us seems to be engaged in minmaxing to some extent (turning down +AV, not selecting certain positionals, going without an apothecary, having 11 players).
I am sympathetic to the view as, rather like 'art', minmaxing seems to be hard to define but you know it when you see it. At the same time, someone could look at a lot of my teams and tell me I was minmaxing and by some criteria I would have no defence.
And +1 to PurpleChest's comment Whether it is true or not, it amuses. |
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