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Joined: Mar 17, 2014
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Aug 08, 2024 - 02:55 |
 
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| koadah wrote: | Don't overthink it. It's a nice number. It is one of those things that would add a little flavour for some people.
It might be a small incentive for some people to play. Is there any harm in doing it? |
Fully agree! |
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RDaneel
Joined: Feb 24, 2023
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Aug 08, 2024 - 08:51 |
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Yes I agree too at the end is a nice thing I don’t say no.
I just doubt this will incentive coaches to play more but why not to try.
Reasons of my posts was to develop the fact that coach rating (coach standing?) and /win rate does not have always a direct link with true coach ability , so write this as a “record” in coach page is debatable .
BTW someone can explain me difference between Coach Standing and Coach Rating ? |
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Sp00keh
Joined: Dec 06, 2011
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Aug 08, 2024 - 10:09 |
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This whole side-track thing is distracting from the OP and is kinda pointless
Anyway, rating is number of points, eg 1500
standing / ranking is how it compares to other coaches, eg 100th ranked |
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RDaneel
Joined: Feb 24, 2023
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Aug 08, 2024 - 11:34 |
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Thx...
Just had another idea:
Because we have 4 "metrics/formats" in Fumbbl to rank coaches maybe list in the drop down display all the four "records" achieved:
- Highest Coach Standing Achieved in "Overal"
- Highest Coach Standing Achieved in "Tournament"
- Highest Coach Standing Achieved in "Blackbox"
- Highest Coach Standing Achieved in "Open"
In this way maybe coaches are motivated to play more games also in different formats to reach a sort of "Grand Slam!" (Highest Coach Standing Achieved in all ranked formats!?!?)
what do you think , will make sense?  |
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Sp00keh
Joined: Dec 06, 2011
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Aug 08, 2024 - 12:25 |
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Like I said on page 1, you can already see your ratings on a chart over time so it shows your peak, and it already can be broken up by these categories, even by specific race |
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RDaneel
Joined: Feb 24, 2023
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Aug 08, 2024 - 13:28 |
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Yes i see. You can see your rating but not a record who explicitly show your best standings for each format.
If I understand The Murker proposal this explicit record could motivate coaches to play more games.
Even if I would not make this "highest standing achieved" fixed but will reset periodically (maybe every year) to avoid what Thoriin envisaged |
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asteflix
Joined: Jan 20, 2014
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Aug 08, 2024 - 16:47 |
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| MattDakka wrote: | Fact is that, when I offered RDaneel to play a game at TV 1000 with starting teams of his choice, same rosters, same races, he refused to play vs me.
Maybe even starting teams at TV 1000 of his choice with same rosters are unfair for him.
It's the kind of guy who likes to talk a lot but afraid to play vs people he mocks. 
You know where you can find me, if you want to show your champion virility, tactical genius with 55% win rate!
You don't even grasp the simple concept that statistics need a big sample of games played to be meaningful.
Playing 13 games with Amazons and having a losing record doesn't necessarily mean that somebody can't play Amazons.
Do you have some races top 1 in the Box? No. At least I have achieved top 1 with some of the teams I play.
You should first try to get better, before mocking who is higher ranked than you.
And anyway, my win rate with Vampires is higher than yours, that's a fact.
You are free to play Vampires for 27 or more games and achieving top 1 in the Box with them, then your yapping will be backed up by a fact.
You play on Gamefinder and dare to criticize a guy like me activating only in the Box (so I can't pick easy match-ups to pimp my win rate and teams), it's super funny!
Play only in the Box and achieve top 1 with the races you play, although I understand that it's way harder than mocking people on forums.
It's always: "oh easy with a team older than 15 games".
You are free to play teams for more than 15 games, I'm not stopping you.
If you think that it's easy, do it too, and let's see if you can do better.
I'm not the only guy allowed to play teams for more than 15 games, you can do it too.
Since for you it's easy, do it, back what you say with facts.
I know I should ignore trolls, but after a while the spam of troll posts in every thread gets annoying. |
MattDakka's champion's virility vs RDaneel's tactical genius, loser is permabanned from site.
Tickets on sale, contact me to buy them today! |
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Endrophil
Joined: Nov 16, 2015
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Aug 08, 2024 - 17:30 |
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And the winner has to play against asteflix vampires. Loser gets permabanned! |
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Sp00keh
Joined: Dec 06, 2011
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Aug 08, 2024 - 20:13 |
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The developers of the game Eve Online have their own band who plays gigs at conventions etc called Permaband |
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CrisisChris
Joined: Dec 11, 2023
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Sep 20, 2024 - 19:47 |
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Maybe I am not in the target group, but for me this whole CR, rank etc. topic is a bit of a thing that may be most important for only a small group of coaches.
Just as a food for thought: I played some games during the last nine month. My CR and win rate look quite good, but I am far from a good coach. Even if the number of games played in the box is very limited, but the win rate there is a much better indicator for my poor coaching skills, but... I just do not like to play Box. One the one handside the environment is much too competitive and honestly I want to decide which team I play. It is not so much the coach but more about the type of game I like to play.
So for me some kind of anonymous GF would be great. You can see the teams offered. Without any data like team name, coach name etc. Im am not yet sure if it would be better to see a team overview (Players, skills etc.) or not. The mentioned Statfreak issue would be a pro for it.
Maybe this could be somehow a mediator between Box and current GF Picking?
Coming back to the initial question: I do not see a big benefit for a highest rank achieved metric. I guess it will even more lead to cherrypicking. |
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koadah
Joined: Mar 30, 2005
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Sep 20, 2024 - 22:06 |
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TheRedoubt
Joined: Sep 06, 2023
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Sep 21, 2024 - 22:18 |
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| koadah wrote: | You're already in the right place.
Box for leagues would be cool. |
I've talked with Garcangel a lot about his various bot inventions, and this actually came up at one point when my brother and I were discussing making leagues but using Box-style match-making for it.
Apparently, Garc actually built something like that into his Discord bots, but it never got implemented anywhere. Apparently no one was interested (even Secret League) at the time.
I bet if you pestered him he'd probably be willing to implement it for a league, since he already did a bunch of the work on that. Could come join us in The Underground so that you can bet on games at the same time as you pester him for new thing!
I'd also be willing to join such a league at least for testing and possibly more. |
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RDaneel
Joined: Feb 24, 2023
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Sep 22, 2024 - 13:12 |
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| CrisisChris wrote: | | Even if the number of games played in the box is very limited, but the win rate there is a much better indicator for my poor coaching skills, but... |
win rate can be rigged much more than the CR. |
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CrisisChris
Joined: Dec 11, 2023
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Sep 22, 2024 - 18:06 |
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| RDaneel wrote: | | CrisisChris wrote: | | Even if the number of games played in the box is very limited, but the win rate there is a much better indicator for my poor coaching skills, but... |
win rate can be rigged much more than the CR. |
I haven't said any contrary, did I? Maybe I was not clear enough: for me personally neither CR or rank, nor win rate are important. I just want to play fun games. And maybe it is because of my poor coaching skills or there are other reasons, but I think some matches are no fun at all. That is the main reason for me not to play box. I do not care if I lose a match, as long as it was fun.
And here we get back to the topic: For me personally another metric to indicate coach skill levels would not be important.
That was all I wanted to say and explain. |
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RDaneel
Joined: Feb 24, 2023
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Sep 22, 2024 - 22:00 |
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fully agree on CR and WR
what do you mean exactly for "fun"? |
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