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Gartch

Joined: Sep 07, 2012

Posted: Aug 14, 2024 - 19:50

Hi! I thought I knew how leap work in BB2020, but the log of a match I played today make me think I actually do not.

I thought that leap skill allow you to add +1 to dice and to leap you have a -1 for each enemy TZ on starting space or ending space, which one is the greatest.

So I thought that if you leap from a space marked by a single opponent in a space marked by 0 opponent with a Wardancer, you would success on 2+, because the player agility is 2+ and the -1 for the marking starting space opposing player is nullified by the +1 of the leap skill. But in this match in turn 7 of 1st half, I did that but the log states I need a 3+.
https://fumbbl.com/FUMBBL.php?page=match&id=4565708
Why? Thank you for your explanations.

MattDakka

Joined: Oct 09, 2007

Posted: Aug 14, 2024 - 19:55

Hello Gartch, this is the BB2020 Leap formula:

D6 roll - opponent Tackle Zones +1 for Leap skill >= Leaping player's AG

You count the opponent Tackle Zones from either starting or landing square (only the square with the highest number of Tackle Zone is taken into account for purpose of calculating the Tackle Zone modifier). If the starting square of the Leap has 2 opponent Tackle Zones and the landing square has 3 opponent Tackle Zones then -3 modifier is used, it's not a -5 modifier.
Leap skill gives +1 to the D6 roll.

Important! in BB2020 Diving Tackle affects Leap roll, so, beware if you try to Leap from a Diving Tackler.
Diving Tackle gives a -2 to Leap.

Gartch

Joined: Sep 07, 2012

Posted: Aug 14, 2024 - 20:00

MattDakka wrote:

Hello Gartch, this is the BB2020 Leap formula:

D6 roll - opponent Tackle Zones +1 for Leap skill >= Leaping player's AG

You count the opponent Tackle Zones from either starting or landing square (only the square with the highest number of Tackle Zone is taken into account for purpose of calculating the Tackle Zone modifier). If the starting square of the Leap has 2 opponent Tackle Zones and the landing square has 3 opponent Tackle Zones then -3 modifier is used, it's not a -5 modifier.
Leap skill gives +1 to the D6 roll.

Important! in BB2020 Diving Tackle affects Leap roll, so, beware if you try to Leap from a Diving Tackler.

Thank you for your explanations but I still don't understand.

Using your formula:
D6 roll-1 TZ+1 Leap skill >=player agility 2+
So in my example it should be 2+ no?

JuicyBee

Joined: Aug 18, 2018

Posted: Aug 14, 2024 - 20:02

I'm unsure but I believe it's because Leap says "Additionally, this player MAY reduce any negative modifier applied to the Agility test when they attempt to...". As the reduction wasn't needed, it wasn't used. Most skills seem to work this way in FUMBBL, like MB isn't used to modify armor roll if it's not needed to break the armor but is instead kept for injury roll.

MattDakka

Joined: Oct 09, 2007

Posted: Aug 14, 2024 - 20:05

Yes, it's like Break Tackle. The skill triggers only if needed to pass the D6 roll.

Gartch

Joined: Sep 07, 2012

Posted: Aug 14, 2024 - 20:12

MattDakka wrote:

Yes, it's like Break Tackle. The skill triggers only if needed to pass the D6 roll.

Thank you both for your explanations.

So just to make sure I understand correctly, in my example, if I rolled a 2, it would have been a success?

JuicyBee

Joined: Aug 18, 2018

Posted: Aug 14, 2024 - 20:16

That's what I think at least.

MattDakka

Joined: Oct 09, 2007

Posted: Aug 14, 2024 - 20:20

Wait, now that I think of it, Leap adds +1 to Leap to counter 1 Tackle Zone, but in case there is a -2 or more Tackle Zone modifier.
You can't reduce a single -1 Tackle Zone modifier to 0 with Leap. At least a -1 Tackle Zone modifier will be always applied.

Gartch

Joined: Sep 07, 2012

Posted: Aug 14, 2024 - 20:22

MattDakka wrote:

Wait, now that I think of it, Leap adds +1 to Leap to counter 1 Tackle Zone, but in case there is a -2 or more Tackle Zone modifier.
You can't reduce a single -1 Tackle Zone modifier to 0 with Leap. At least a -1 Tackle Zone modifier will be always applied.

Ah, but where is it stated in the rules?

JuicyBee

Joined: Aug 18, 2018

Posted: Aug 14, 2024 - 20:24

Actually yeah, what MattDakka said.

"Additionally, this player may reduce any negative modifier applied to the Agility test when they attempt to Jump over a Prone or Stunned player, or to Leap over an empty square or a square occupied by a standing player by 1, to a minimum of +1. ", the last sentence being the important one. I just somehow skipped it thinking it meant +1 leap roll being tired and all.

So it goes like this:
0 TZs or other modifiers = 2+ leap
1 TZs or other modifiers = 3+ leap
2 TZs or ... = 3+ leap
3 TZs = 4+ leap
4 TZs = 5+ leap etc.

Gartch

Joined: Sep 07, 2012

Posted: Aug 14, 2024 - 21:16

JuicyBee wrote:

Actually yeah, what MattDakka said.

"Additionally, this player may reduce any negative modifier applied to the Agility test when they attempt to Jump over a Prone or Stunned player, or to Leap over an empty square or a square occupied by a standing player by 1, to a minimum of +1. ", the last sentence being the important one. I just somehow skipped it thinking it meant +1 leap roll being tired and all.

So it goes like this:
0 TZs or other modifiers = 2+ leap
1 TZs or other modifiers = 3+ leap
2 TZs or ... = 3+ leap
3 TZs = 4+ leap
4 TZs = 5+ leap etc.

Ok thank you very much for the clarifications

MattDakka

Joined: Oct 09, 2007

Posted: Aug 14, 2024 - 21:28

You're welcome! Remember Diving Tackle vs Leap! Razz