Carthage
Joined: Mar 18, 2021
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Sep 28, 2024 - 21:20 |
 
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| Garion wrote: |
RR 70k
Tier 1 apparently 😅
Favoured of hashut, badland Brawl |
Maybe I'm missing something because yeah this still looks like a tier 1 team to me... with the iron hard change and mutation on centaurs, I don't know that this is worse than the current roster. Losing tackle hurts them a bit, but in most of the matchups where that mattered, the centaur is the more important piece anyways. |
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Kondor
Joined: Apr 04, 2008
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Sep 28, 2024 - 21:36 |
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| Garion wrote: | | God knows... I just don't think they know what they're doing really |
This. This is the truth. Ding. Ding. Ding. We have a winner. |
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rvlvr
Joined: Nov 21, 2017
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Sep 28, 2024 - 23:10 |
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Down six tackles, and two blocks. Up two MA.
Meh. |
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Drrek
Joined: Jul 23, 2012
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Sep 29, 2024 - 00:31 |
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Do I think this roster is worse than current c'dorfs? Yeah, losing some block pieces and all the tackle is bad. But this roster still looks fine honestly. If c'dorfs hadn't been a thing before and this just got released, I don't think anyone would be complaining about them being bad.
Stabbas though are such a waste of positional it boggles my mind they actually released them like this. They are so terrible. |
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Carthage
Joined: Mar 18, 2021
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Sep 29, 2024 - 01:34 |
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Stabbas though are such a waste of positional it boggles my mind they actually released them like this. They are so terrible. |
Agree with everything there Drrek. Still good, even if a bit worse. They may be better than before at mid TV with the huge buff to iron hard skin improving their bash matchup.
But yeah, this one is so weird. Would have expected sneaky git or diving tackle instead of shadowing. |
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MattDakka
Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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Sep 29, 2024 - 12:03 |
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Also, Shadowing should be buffed a bit.
Shadowing: D6 + Shadowing player's MA - Moving player's MA >= 6.
Change the formula with 5 instead of 6.
Shadowing sucks, no reason to use Stabbas for it. |
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smeborg
Joined: Jan 04, 2019
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Sep 29, 2024 - 22:16 |
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I'm happy for teams to have players available that many coaches think are crap. No-one is forcing you to hire them. As for player pricing, that is a keen issue in Blackbox (because of TV-matching), but may not be such an issue in other environments. |
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MattDakka
Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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Sep 29, 2024 - 22:29 |
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Sure, nobody is forced to hire overpriced, sub-obtimal players but, when a roster is updated, people have expectations about the new positionals and these ones honestly are disappointing. |
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Lorebass
Joined: Jun 25, 2010
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Doesn't the iron hard skin mean that claw, mb/dp +1 and mb/dp +2, chainsaw +3 no longer apply to an av 10+ team?
seems amazing in certain settings and probably will have it's place in tabletop tournaments and local league settings. |
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Carthage
Joined: Mar 18, 2021
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Sep 29, 2024 - 23:00 |
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Yeah, i think the roster is weaker at low TV but that buff to IHS might actually make them better at mid to high TV. |
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JimmyFantastic
Joined: Feb 06, 2007
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Sep 30, 2024 - 00:22 |
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| Carthage wrote: | | Garion wrote: |
RR 70k
Tier 1 apparently 😅
Favoured of hashut, badland Brawl |
Maybe I'm missing something because yeah this still looks like a tier 1 team to me... with the iron hard change and mutation on centaurs, I don't know that this is worse than the current roster. Losing tackle hurts them a bit, but in most of the matchups where that mattered, the centaur is the more important piece anyways. |
They do not look tier 1. They were already nerfed a lot in this edition with no CPomb or BT and now they lose Tackle. They might be Ok still, but they are definitely not top tier. |
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JimmyFantastic
Joined: Feb 06, 2007
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Sep 30, 2024 - 00:25 |
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| Lorebass wrote: | Doesn't the iron hard skin mean that claw, mb/dp +1 and mb/dp +2, chainsaw +3 no longer apply to an av 10+ team?
seems amazing in certain settings and probably will have it's place in tabletop tournaments and local league settings. |
And offensive foul assists. It's ok at high tv, but it's only on 4 players, and firesmiths are terrible.
Losing 6 tackles and 2 blocks for a tiny bit of survivability is horrendous for tabletop.
They were already constantly mistiered in NAF tournaments, maybe now they will be tiered correctly at least, because they are not good. |
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Garion
Joined: Aug 19, 2009
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Sep 30, 2024 - 10:45 |
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| JimmyFantastic wrote: | | Carthage wrote: | | Garion wrote: |
RR 70k
Tier 1 apparently 😅
Favoured of hashut, badland Brawl |
Maybe I'm missing something because yeah this still looks like a tier 1 team to me... with the iron hard change and mutation on centaurs, I don't know that this is worse than the current roster. Losing tackle hurts them a bit, but in most of the matchups where that mattered, the centaur is the more important piece anyways. |
They do not look tier 1. They were already nerfed a lot in this edition with no CPomb or BT and now they lose Tackle. They might be Ok still, but they are definitely not top tier. |
This ^ also, they still don't have their troll back. So they have no good big guy. Plus Seasons will really hit this team hard redraft will be tricky to manage now you have 4 players with no block that you desperately need block on, while also wanting to keep your developed Blockers... |
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JanMattys
Joined: Feb 29, 2004
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Sep 30, 2024 - 11:04 |
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| Lorebass wrote: | Doesn't the iron hard skin mean that claw, mb/dp +1 and mb/dp +2, chainsaw +3 no longer apply to an av 10+ team?
seems amazing in certain settings and probably will have it's place in tabletop tournaments and local league settings. |
I was wondering... does Iron Hard skin protect from foul assists as well? Technically, those are armor modifiers as well. |
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Garion
Joined: Aug 19, 2009
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Sep 30, 2024 - 11:56 |
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| JanMattys wrote: | | Lorebass wrote: | Doesn't the iron hard skin mean that claw, mb/dp +1 and mb/dp +2, chainsaw +3 no longer apply to an av 10+ team?
seems amazing in certain settings and probably will have it's place in tabletop tournaments and local league settings. |
I was wondering... does Iron Hard skin protect from foul assists as well? Technically, those are armor modifiers as well. |
Correct. The skill description says - opposing players cannot modify any armour rolls against this player. In addition claw has no effect.
So fouling assists don't work. It does mean Mighty Blow works on the injury roll however, as does DP. |
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