RDaneel
Joined: Feb 24, 2023
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Nov 01, 2024 - 16:54 |
 
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| MattDakka wrote: | | I believe in win rate and performance. |
win rate doesn't mean anything if you play strict one type of format ONLY.
You can have 75% win rate but if you won most of the games against coaches who have 200 to 500 rating points less than you and/or vs teams who has 200 games less than yours at similar TV (either in Box or Gamefinder it is the same) it doesn't make a lot of statistical sense.
There are plenty of way to "gaming the system" with the only goal to "boost" the win rate.
Some “Black Box purists” think that the only win rate that matters is that earned in Box games and that those who play GameFinder (Open Play) are cherrypickers in general who have inflated win rates. And this can be very true for some coach.
But hear hear: you can safely cherrypick even in BlackBox just by having a little patience and living off the “income”
Here is the "recipe"
: it is sufficient to activate few Tiers1/2teams (one per race only)
You play the first 30 games only with the 'idea of optimizing the roster, if you have patience you cherrypick open games, if not you activate all teams in Box, you don't give a damn about the win rate at the beginning, you try to win but you think mostly about the roster optimization/efficiency: then after the 30th ( or so) when you have the stat freak you keep activating in Box and only 1 team per roster and only Tiers 1/2 team.
You count on the fact that usually majority of players (included the strongest) play Trophy (or simply do not activate when they see some that is known to use this technique) and result is that majority of Box games are played vs Rookie/Veteran/Emergingstar/Star few superstars with inefficient rosters.
If you do not have terrible snake and if you play correctly you can easily reach 70% win rate
Certainly a minimum of skill is needed .
The autopolyte must be well calibrated  and clearly a good knowledge of what are the best skill for your player is necessary so i don't say that whatever noobs can do but well... 
Even someone bad like me probably can reach 60%.
It just requires a lot of patience (because after 15 games there is box protection and you might miss several spins because most people play under 15 games. But if you have patience and stubbornness you can do it
There is nothing exceptional in this.
Is like at the beginning of the Movie "ROCKY III" where Apollo Creed told to Rocky after defeat vs "Mr T" that he maintained the World Champion title only playing easy games.
It is easy
Not all win rate are the same for me.
For me one Win Rate which really has a direct link with the coach skills and ability is - for instance- the one you are able to gain in playing BlackBox Trophy WITH ONE SQUAD of FOUR TEAMS (and not only with 1 team Tiers1) because Trophy force you to create squad with a balanced roster/tiers also playing non super efficient roster in the starting.
I will preface this by saying that I am preaching to you ( well someone called me "the inquisitor" ehehehe) knowing that I play poorly, that I have a win rate that I deserve because I play poorly and make my mistakes but at least not certain gaming the system to drug my win rate (I have done this in game finder in fact if you go to see here https://fumbbl.com/p/rankings?c=RDaneel you see that in Open Play I have a win rate of 70% which is totally false: I get this by stubborn cherrypick - then i was bored and i stopped.)
if I meet in the box someone who plays at my level I usually draw and if i met someone like Malmir i lose in general in 70% of the case.
ciao ciao furbetti del quartierino! |
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MattDakka
Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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Nov 01, 2024 - 17:07 |
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If gaming the Box is easy, do better than people you think they game the system. You can use their very same approach, rosters and races (they don't have the exclusive), that will remove the "roster freak" advantage you despise. Then it will be just your coach's performance compared to other coaches' performance.
It's better to prove things with solid facts and stats than make assumptions.
Open division for me doesn't exist, I consider it a bug of the site.
There is only the Box division and when I talk about stats and win rate, I imply that division.
About gaming the stats in the Box: I have played 2276 games in the Box and that's a big enough sample to say that I didn't play only vs noobs and gamed the system (unless we think that most of the Box coaches are noobs, but I don't think so). In theory, according to statistics and Gaussian bell, a little percentage should be made by noobs, a little percentage by very good coaches, the biggest percentage should be made by average coaches, not too bad and not too good. So, in theory, most of my Box games should have been played vs average coaches. Moreover, if you win vs noobs you gain very few CR points, if you tie or lose you lose lots of CR points.
Considering how the CR system works, in order to gain CR points you need a Gamefinder, keeping on playing noob after noob and winning the games (arranging games with a TV gap to make the win more likely, if possible). The Box scheduler makes hard to play only vs noobs every game and as TV overdog (unlike the Gamefinder for the Open division).
The thing I do in the Box, which can be considered "gaming the system", is trying to keep my teams in their sweetspot and generally at max TV 1500, if possible (some teams grow too much and I don't want to fire developed players if the roster works, although that means I can't find games with them unless somebody monoactivates a high TV team).
That said, I'm not the only one keeping their teams in their sweetspot, it's just a competitive strategy common in TV match-making environments.
You can do it or not, but you can't blame people playing in a Competitive division for using competitive rosters and strategies. It's not a training unranked division made to play tutorial games. |
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Carthage
Joined: Mar 18, 2021
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Nov 01, 2024 - 18:08 |
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There should be a metric of how long a forum takes until MattDakka's box teams get brought up. I imagine the average is between 3 and 4 pages. |
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RDaneel
Joined: Feb 24, 2023
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Nov 01, 2024 - 18:13 |
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