Drrek
Joined: Jul 23, 2012
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Dec 11, 2024 - 07:33 |
 
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| The_Murker wrote: |
I get the issue with vamps at high TV, and think that getting redraft pushed through the last hurdle might invigorate the major events for everyone, as opposed to just the die hard FUMBBLers |
I think it might help the issue with Vampires somewhat, but I remain skeptical that they won't remain just the best thing you can be doing at mid-high TV. And Frankly, just look at the Vamps that are currently in the race lead of the BBT, they're already 1690k in just 15 games. Redraft will knock down a team like that some in TV, but they'll have another 15 games to grow even larger.
The best coaches will still have high TV vampires that will still be the best thing you can be doing. You might not see the absolute abomination massive teams anymore but Vampires are still going to be a problem for majors unless or until they are nerfed in some way. |
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KhorneliusPraxx
Joined: Jul 28, 2005
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Dec 11, 2024 - 09:48 |
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| koadah wrote: |
Who are the famous(/infamous) teams? |
Are the famous/infamous teams allowed to play? Are they still stuck in Ranked or has the site converted them over yet? |
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koadah
Joined: Mar 30, 2005
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Dec 11, 2024 - 11:21 |
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koadah
Joined: Mar 30, 2005
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Dec 11, 2024 - 11:42 |
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| The_Murker wrote: |
I get the issue with vamps at high TV, and think that getting redraft pushed through the last hurdle might invigorate the major events for everyone, as opposed to just the die hard FUMBBLers, but if it's just a core of people in the events now, and we don't celebrate the winner of the BBT or THE Cup at all, we're almost to the point of questioning why we have them. It's work for the admin that perhaps just one player appreciates in the end. |
Majors were already in the doldrums before we got the new Vamps.
If anything, I thought that there seemed to be more interest in this FC than in other recent Majors.
But yes, I'm sure than some lost interest when they feared that it might be an all vamp final. It wasn't. 
I don't know how much seasons will help. They might even hinder.
I'm assuming that you could still get some mighty vamp lords into 1350 with a load of brand new thralls.
Having to continually cut to 1350 might actually make it harder for some non hardcore coaches to have a "Majors ready" team if there is still such a thing.
When you exit a Major, your team has to cut even if they only played one game.
Unless you have multiple teams ready, you'll need to grind your team up again before the next one
If you try to just go for it at 1350, you need to cut again when you exit and unless you progress through a few rounds you'll be hammered by the ramp.
If anything, seasons may favour the prolific coaches even more than what we've had in the past.
At least then, less prolific coaches would have a team that they could throw in.
We could end up with fewer coaches rather than more.
Unless there is a BBT for season 2+ teams it sounds like a load of miserable grinding.
Majors used to be about more than just great coaches. They were more about the great coach/team combinations. But also about famous, storied, maybe whacky teams.
I don't know how much of that we have going on now.
If it is only going to be about coaches then there is a lot of competition from NAF. |
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Sp00keh
Joined: Dec 06, 2011
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Dec 11, 2024 - 13:03 |
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| koadah wrote: | Majors were already in the doldrums before we got the new Vamps.
If anything, I thought that there seemed to be more interest in this FC than in other recent Majors.
But yes, I'm sure than some lost interest when they feared that it might be an all vamp final. It wasn't. |
There was definitely a lot of vamps tho, the round of 16 had 4x vamps. Actually, that's less than I thought... There was also 2x amazons, 2x undead, and 1x of others
The bracketing prevented a vamp/vamp mirror in the final because the mirrors happened earlier: spinball's vamps knocked out my vamps in the round of 16, and baza's vamps in the semis
There was also 3x vamp mirrors in round of 32 🧛
| koadah wrote: | I don't know how much seasons will help. They might even hinder.
I'm assuming that you could still get some mighty vamp lords into 1350 with a load of brand new thralls. |
Yea so the good thing about the team is the vamps can skill quickly, and the thralls are disposable
So you can probably afford to be carrying 2-3 skilled up vamps for multiple redrafts
So you'd probably aggressively cut thralls / rerolls / apoth to retain as many skilled vamps as you can, and then rebuild quickly at start of new season
Carrying veteran players for a lot of seasons will become too much of a burden though.. so probably teams would not have more than 1x legends
It also means saving for stats is less viable, which is bad for vamps
| koadah wrote: | Having to continually cut to 1350 might actually make it harder for some non hardcore coaches to have a "Majors ready" team if there is still such a thing.
When you exit a Major, your team has to cut even if they only played one game.
Unless you have multiple teams ready, you'll need to grind your team up again before the next one |
As I understand it, you'd play your season of 15 games, and then be in some kind of 'tournament ready' state which means you've not redrafted yet, and are probably at say 1700k or something like that
You then go into the tournament, and redraft as normal upon exiting
So that means by entering a tourney at the end of each season, you can stretch it out so that it's 15+n games between redrafts where 'n' is however many games you play in the tourney
So it's not: 15 games > redraft > tourney > redraft again
Instead it is: 15 games > tourney > redraft
| koadah wrote: | If anything, seasons may favour the prolific coaches even more than what we've had in the past.
At least then, less prolific coaches would have a team that they could throw in.
We could end up with fewer coaches rather than more.
Unless there is a BBT for season 2+ teams it sounds like a load of miserable grinding. |
I don't follow what you mean here
Seasons are definitely bad for player types that take a long time to skill: saurus, golems, black orcs, big uns, bloaters, etc
| koadah wrote: | Majors used to be about more than just great coaches. They were more about the great coach/team combinations. But also about famous, storied, maybe whacky teams.
I don't know how much of that we have going on now. |
The change you're talking about isn't anything to do with the ruleset, it's a playerbase issue... and probably Milford retiring has had a substantial impact on hype all by himself
Also if you're not playing these tourneys, against these teams, you're less aware of them anyway
Hmmm... however yes there are some factors from the ruleset & the way [C] is structured:
- BBT means lots of teams are retired after 15 games
- The box scheduler now doesn't match teams under 15 games against those over 15 games
- Inducements (particularly megastars) mean being the overdog isn't the advantage it used to be
- Clawpomb is gone so there's not that same killy arms race
- 10k randoms to keep TV down
Therefore the average TV in matches skews lower than it used to |
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