MattDakka
Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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Aug 15, 2024 - 00:09 |
 
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My AG 1+ Wardancer works for me. Multi rr helps too. |
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EnglishJake
Joined: Apr 06, 2007
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Aug 15, 2024 - 22:20 |
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So, if you wanted to turn a Daemons of Khorne Bloodthirster (ma5, st7, ag3+) into cage buster would you go with Leap or Break Tackle? |
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MattDakka
Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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Aug 15, 2024 - 22:41 |
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Irgy
Joined: Feb 21, 2007
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Aug 16, 2024 - 06:32 |
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why on earth did they make it work like that? |
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Garion
Joined: Aug 19, 2009
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Aug 16, 2024 - 11:32 |
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| Irgy wrote: | | why on earth did they make it work like that? |
I think the real question is - did they mean to make it like that? or was it another mistake by the intern who wrote the text in the rulebook... |
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tussock
Joined: May 29, 2011
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Aug 16, 2024 - 11:53 |
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Leap being a minimum of 3+ for elf leaps has been around forever, you just can't do it in 3+ TZs anymore, so, need to disrupt your opponent slightly first.
Which, BB16 elves worked really well with a couple leap in the team, so I can see why they wanted to nerf it slightly in season play. I found I could still win often enough with the 4+ into a tight cage, it was more the extra MNG your leapers faced that hurt the elf teams. |
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MattDakka
Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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Aug 16, 2024 - 11:59 |
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The other problem of Elves is that, assuming they can Leap and sack the ball carrier, they risk to fail big the punt due to Wildly Inaccurate.
About Leap: they could have made Leap working always on a 4+ with AG 2+ (without considering Tackle Zones, like the old Leap version) and on a 3+ with AG 1+.
Change Defensive skill like so: cancels all adjacent opponent Guards when the player is Blitzing (but not when Blocking).
Change Strip Ball like so: Sure Hands doesn't counter automatically Strip Ball, a test is required: (Strip Ball player's ST + AG + D6) > (Sure Hands player's ST + AG + D6) = the ball is stripped from the ball carrier.
Bring back 1 rr per turn and then Elves would have a decent sack threat, without being OP. |
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Nightbird
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Aug 16, 2024 - 12:13 |
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| Gary_Gygax wrote: | | MattDakka wrote: | | Yes but it's good with AG 1+. |
I have a dancer with ag1, believe me, leap still pretty awful  |
It's funny how they nerfed leap & elf passing, but OP'd hypnotic gaze & gave 8 ma runners to vamps to drastically improve the team... |
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MattDakka
Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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Aug 16, 2024 - 12:13 |
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Yes. Vampires needed a buff, but they got overbuffed.
Gaze potentially cancelling up to 6 skills with just 1 dice roll is too good. |
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Sp00keh
Joined: Dec 06, 2011
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Aug 16, 2024 - 13:16 |
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| Nightbird wrote: | | It's funny how they nerfed leap & elf passing, but OP'd hypnotic gaze & gave 8 ma runners to vamps to drastically improve the team... |
I think that's simply powercreep. the elf teams haven't yet had a new release in 2020 (even 2016?) so if/when they do, they'll probably be pretty strong |
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Bitter
Joined: Mar 22, 2024
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Jan 24, 2025 - 15:01 |
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If a player with Leap jumps over a standing player that has lost its tackle zone, that means he jumps from 0tz to 0tz. Is it then an unmodified AG roll, or does it get -1, since Leap can not reduce mods to better than -1?
Can a player use Leap and opt to not use to modifier? |
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MattDakka
Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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Jan 24, 2025 - 16:14 |
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Leap: (D6 roll) - (X Tackle Zones) +1 Leap >= Leaping player's AG. Leap bonus can be applied only with 2 or more opponent Tackle Zones.
Unmodified AG roll, because the bonus is applied with 2 or more Tackle Zones and the standing player in your question has 0 Tackle Zones.
Yes, a player with Leap can opt not to use the +1 Leap modifier:
"Additionally, this player may reduce any negative modifier applied to the Agility test when they attempt to Jump over a Prone or Stunned player, or to Leap over an empty square or a square occupied by a standing player by 1, to a minimum of +1. "
may = the player can choose to use or not the modifier. It's optional. |
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Carthage
Joined: Mar 18, 2021
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Jan 24, 2025 - 17:01 |
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Fumbbl client automatically gives you the better option of use/don't use. |
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