Joost
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| RDaneel wrote: | I think Christer implemented the redraft at the best he could following the manual rules at the best.
I m totally in favour of the current Agent’s fee expense and how is implemented and I hope this will be NOT changed/amended because one single coach complain.
Also cap 1350 is perfect in my opinion. So to be crystal clear :I strongly disagree with Dakka’s proposal to increase to 1400 tv cap.
There were plenty of discussion on discord and also Christer clearly published in his blog how redraft cap would have worked and most of coach agreed/were happy on this.
What I have noticed is that there are still some space of interpretations of the user manual rules about budget and treasury management (see separate discussions in Fumbbl/Discord/General) and Christer told that we hope in a GW FAQ (even if unlikely they will FAQ the redraft rules of BB2020 as the new BB release coming)
In case someone thinks there is “bug” in the redraft of his team it is possible to send message to Christer on Discord/General
As usual he will fix this in amazing speed. But a part this my expectation is that redraft will stay as it is at least for this season. Then maybe the next who know.
Thank you Christer for this major achievement ! |
Just for the record: I have no objection at all against the rules being implemented as they are and certainly have no complaints about Christer's work. My comments reflect my first experience with redrafting, especially how it affects the few teams I had around for tournaments. I appreciate the responses from others btw, they're all good points and Merry is right that you could game the system if you remove agent fees from roookies. |
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JanekT
Joined: Sep 20, 2009
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Jan 27, 2025 - 11:27 |
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I think Christer has shown in the past a willingness to adapt to the meta if things are looking too unbalanced and I'm sure re-drafting will be no exception.
Early days yet, and the impact of the big bang re-draft implementation is still being felt. A few seasons worth of data should reveal all.
My hunch is that some rosters might receive a hand through some minor tweaks - I'd certainly be curious about the impact of reduced agent fees or possibly the first season or two being free. |
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Garion
Joined: Aug 19, 2009
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Jan 27, 2025 - 11:31 |
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Christer will never tweak Rosters.. he follows official rules to the letter
The only thing that can be changed are the redraft options... as outlined in the rules. |
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MattDakka
Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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Jan 27, 2025 - 11:55 |
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| ClayInfinity wrote: |
And what does 50k more do? It allows you to buy one more skill and an agent fee with 10k left over. Its hardly gamechanging.
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You could not be able to hire an extra Lineman due to lacking 20k (or an extra rr or the Apo), for example, so a little bit higher Re-Draft budget would help. If it's hardly gamechanging, as you said, then I don't know why people are against it. I didn't ask to change the budget from 1350 to 2000, just to 1400, because I understand that the point of Re-Draft is trimming teams, I'm not against that on principle. Just, after Season 1, I think that a team should have at least 1 positional per type and a bench. Otherwise, what's the difference between a TV 1000 just created and a Season 2 (or 3 or 4 etc.) team?
Not expecting to have a team with freaks, but with the positionals, yes, because after the Re-Draft 15 games have to be played and I don't think that it's gamebreaking expecting to have a full roster of pretty much unskilled players. If I can't have a full roster then I'm going to play fewer-than-15-games with a complete roster.
I mean, since the fun of customizing the team has been removed,
at least let us play with a decent, full roster from game 1 of Season 2.
If we want to have racial variety, we should not penalize too much the teams requiring some skills to be played.
I talked about Elves because I play them a lot, but we could talk about Chaos, Lizardmen, Nurgle, Khorne as well.
Do we have to play only Norse, Amazons, Dwarfs, Undead, Orcs?  |
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JanekT
Joined: Sep 20, 2009
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Jan 27, 2025 - 12:06 |
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| Garion wrote: | Christer will never tweak Rosters.. he follows official rules to the letter
The only thing that can be changed are the redraft options... as outlined in the rules. |
Sorry yes I meant tweaking the redraft options on account of certain types of team being disproportionately impacted (e.g. the aformentioned examples of particularly expensive or slow-skilling players)
May not be necessary, of course. Or indeed could be decided that it's not worth upsetting the apple cart for the sake of a couple of races. We shall see! |
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awambawamb
Joined: Feb 17, 2008
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Jan 27, 2025 - 12:12 |
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| MattDakka wrote: | | Do we have to play only Norse, Amazons, Dwarfs, Undead, Orcs? |
if you're more confortable with them under this ruleset, why not? |
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MattDakka
Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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Jan 27, 2025 - 12:16 |
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Because I like to change gameplay. Playing just a small subset of races with 29 available is boring and sad. |
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Rawlf
Joined: Jul 15, 2007
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Jan 27, 2025 - 12:18 |
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| MattDakka wrote: | | Otherwise, what's the difference between a TV 1000 just created and a Season 2 (or 3 or 4 etc.) team? |
350 TV. If you cant fit 3 positionals and 9 Linemen into 1350TV you are doing it wrong. Are your positionals super old maybe? Because such players should have never existed under these rules to begin with, making it hard or even impossible to redraft them is the idea behind it all. Try it for a few seasons, you are clever, you will find a way to get a good revolving roster going.
And yes, teams are not balanced. Some are better, some are worse. Elves are not tier 1. |
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MattDakka
Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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Jan 27, 2025 - 12:22 |
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The switch will be from developing a freak with a support crew to ruthless low TV minmax with top tier 1 teams not requiring core skills and cheap linemen to randomize G skills on. Maybe is what people want.
I can fit 3 positionals and 9 linemen, of course, but then I have a team of 12 unskilled Elves, basically, after each Season.
Wow, just... wow! |
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Rawlf
Joined: Jul 15, 2007
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Jan 27, 2025 - 12:33 |
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Ruthless low TV minmax top tier 1 teams have been a winning strategy all the time, this cant be new to you? |
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Rawlf
Joined: Jul 15, 2007
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Jan 27, 2025 - 12:37 |
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Matt, here is a WE team of mine, played 15 games plus tourney and redrafted.
https://fumbbl.com/t/1070994
Granted, there is no bench but an apo at least and 5 positionals, 3 of them skilled.
The team is not in its sweet spot but in a good place to start a 15 games season wouldn't you say? |
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Garion
Joined: Aug 19, 2009
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Jan 27, 2025 - 12:45 |
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| Rawlf wrote: | Matt, here is a WE team of mine, played 15 games plus tourney and redrafted.
https://fumbbl.com/t/1070994
Granted, there is no bench but an apo at least and 5 positionals, 3 of them skilled.
The team is not in its sweet spot but in a good place to start a 15 games season wouldn't you say? |
Also bare in mind you'll have 15 games from this point to prep for a major... should you wish to take part in them... that means you should be able to build a reasonably good team |
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Joost
Joined: Mar 17, 2014
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Jan 27, 2025 - 13:31 |
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| Rawlf wrote: | Matt, here is a WE team of mine, played 15 games plus tourney and redrafted.
https://fumbbl.com/t/1070994
Granted, there is no bench but an apo at least and 5 positionals, 3 of them skilled.
The team is not in its sweet spot but in a good place to start a 15 games season wouldn't you say? |
It certainly is quite a few steps ahead from starting all over again with a rookie team. |
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MattDakka
Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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Jan 27, 2025 - 13:52 |
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| Rawlf wrote: | Matt, here is a WE team of mine, played 15 games plus tourney and redrafted.
https://fumbbl.com/t/1070994
Granted, there is no bench but an apo at least and 5 positionals, 3 of them skilled.
The team is not in its sweet spot but in a good place to start a 15 games season wouldn't you say? |
11 players seem to few for me for a squishy Season 2 team.
Just 2 rrs, on top of that. It should have 3 rrs, in my opinion. I don't think it would be OP with 3 rrs and 12 players.
Horses for courses, I guess. |
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Garion
Joined: Aug 19, 2009
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Jan 27, 2025 - 14:23 |
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I think another thing to consider is over time the amount might increase after christer has had a chance to observe the meta and how this shapes the game... |
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