Sp00keh
Joined: Dec 06, 2011
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Jan 28, 2025 - 09:13 |
 
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They specified 20k but left the season length flexible to accommodate leagues w different numbers of coaches in
So you could achieve the same by having season length at 30 games
The rules mention a shorter season, I think 7 games? And a lower cap at I think 1300
So Christer has already pushed his settings for C div higher than GW had in mind
Bear in mind the whole purpose of the rules is to enforce a limit on team development so that new teams don’t get totally crushed by much bigger teams, which would make joining an existing league too daunting |
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Sp00keh
Joined: Dec 06, 2011
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Jan 28, 2025 - 09:18 |
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As teams will now regularly cut down to ~1200, and players have limited careers,It could be argued that we no longer need the 15-game protection thing where teams over 15 can’t play those under 15
This would help get games matched more readily
Personally I prefer sticking with the same teams that I am fond of, rather than endlessly churning 15 matches and then retire, in the BBT style |
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koadah
Joined: Mar 30, 2005
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Jan 28, 2025 - 10:28 |
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I believe that it is not only about new teams but generally about teams getting out of hand. That is maybe more of an issue now that you can pick doubles & stats
Is rookie protection still a thing? Or is 15 games it?
A 0 game team will often struggle with a 14 game team. Probably more so if the 14 game team started at 1300.
Some of the best stars are also missing.
I suspect that these rules were designed for leagues where teams start their seasons at the same time.
TV matching helps but I think that you have 2 team draws now. |
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MattDakka
Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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Jan 28, 2025 - 12:02 |
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| Sp00keh wrote: |
Personally I prefer sticking with the same teams that I am fond of, rather than endlessly churning 15 matches and then retire, in the BBT style |
I share this preference. I don't ask to have 2000+ teams and
keep stat freaks, but to play all my teams in the 1300-1500 range in the Box.
I wonder if a bit shorter Season of 12 games with a max Re-Draft budget of 1400 could work.
That should keep the max achievable TV in the Season a bit lower than 1600 but make the start of the next Season at a bit higher TV, potentially. In other words, I'd like to be able to start the Season at a higher TV than now, but with a lower-than-now TV at the end of Season (thus reducing the TV yo-yo effect). 1600, if it's true that teams tend to be that high at the end of Season, it's already too high, in my opinion. It would be better around 1500-1550.
As an aside, I was thinking about another thing today (when I'm not playing BB I still think about BB  ).
Just for academic debate, not asking to house rule it.
Instead of capping the players' skill slots at 3, every player could have max 60 TV spent on skills and/or stat boosts and max 1 stat boost per characteristic. That would allow for a "gambling" approach, you want to have 6 skills on a player? You have to randomize them all. |
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koadah
Joined: Mar 30, 2005
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Jan 28, 2025 - 12:10 |
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CrisisChris
Joined: Dec 11, 2023
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Jan 28, 2025 - 13:40 |
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I guess the point has been mentioned 'we should try and see how things work out after a decent number of games'. Just from a theoretical perspective I would assume that agent fees will most probably benefit all those teams that work out of the box or with only very few highly developed players.
I am not an expert, but to me that would be exactly those legendary Wardancers or well-build Valks in otherwise fresh teams. I do not know of other teams that may work like that, but I guess all the teams that really want to improve many players and are likely to earn SPP slower will be hit much harder than those one hit wonder teams, right?
Maybe I get something completely wrong. |
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Garion
Joined: Aug 19, 2009
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Jan 28, 2025 - 14:17 |
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| CrisisChris wrote: |
Maybe I get something completely wrong. |
you're not... The cheese just got stronger... turned Blue perhaps 
It's the Blue Cheese edition... 
still fun though.. hopefully there will be lots that dont do this |
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awambawamb
Joined: Feb 17, 2008
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Jan 28, 2025 - 14:28 |
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| CrisisChris wrote: | | I guess all the teams that really want to improve many players and are likely to earn SPP slower will be hit much harder than those one hit wonder teams, right? |
Indeed, we will see much more games with "rookie" teams. This facilitates league access (in a pretty distorted GW views) but, more importantly, a seemingly (take note: seemingly) less pronounced learning slope for new players due to having less skills on several players, which in turn will get engaged to the game from quick games with easier teams and will likely buy new minis of other "slower" teams attracted by potentials.
Of course, having less developent potential pisses off the kind of coach that would get attached to a team and would like to see it flourish above 2400TV.
It seems to me an ominous consequence of today's illness of the younger generations that struggle with focus and attention, driven by the dopamine they get from doomscrolling. Maybe I'm wrong and this too much of a stretch... I hope! Otherwise, if this is the trend, we might well end up with precooked teams with little to no customization in the next edition. |
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koadah
Joined: Mar 30, 2005
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Jan 28, 2025 - 14:42 |
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MattDakka
Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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Jan 28, 2025 - 15:21 |
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I don't think that freak Wardancers work now. Ok, you have a freak, but the rest is pretty unskilled and the team lacks a bench.
That can work for 1 game or 2, then the team has some loners. Moreover, in the best scenario you can keep such a WD for 30 games maximum, I guess (but he could die/get crippled before then).
Valks with some skills/stats could work, Norse have cheaper Linemen with default Block.
What WE could do is building a poor's man (or should I say, elf?  ) one turner Catcher with +MA, Side Step, Sprint.
A Catcher is cheaper to Re-Draft than a WD. |
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Drrek
Joined: Jul 23, 2012
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Jan 28, 2025 - 18:40 |
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| koadah wrote: | | Drrek wrote: |
Psh, no, those humans have barely 100 games.
These boys were my pride and joy. |
Bring them both over!
The Swiss starts 5th Feb |
The problem with that is the same problem I have with people who point to leagues as the solution to the problem - I only have so much flexibility in my schedule to play specific people. A swiss tournament will be the opposite of that.
The biggest convince of C is that I can play whenever I can play. |
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RDaneel
Joined: Feb 24, 2023
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Jan 28, 2025 - 18:57 |
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| Malmir wrote: | | JanMattys wrote: | | Your point is futile, |
And we're off  If memory serves, Mattdakka vs JanMattys should be good for about another 17 pages |
I put 1 US dollar on the table that we will exceed 18-pages popcorn-thread here!
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koadah
Joined: Mar 30, 2005
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Jan 28, 2025 - 19:32 |
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| Drrek wrote: | | koadah wrote: | | Drrek wrote: |
Psh, no, those humans have barely 100 games.
These boys were my pride and joy. |
Bring them both over!
The Swiss starts 5th Feb |
The problem with that is the same problem I have with people who point to leagues as the solution to the problem - I only have so much flexibility in my schedule to play specific people. A swiss tournament will be the opposite of that.
The biggest convince of C is that I can play whenever I can play. |
Well, that is 2016 so not many people about. There are more in 2020 for open games and more still in Secret League.
Though what I really meant was clone them now so that the cloned team will hopefully be able to be migrated into a league with no seasons or a high cap.
The more people that come over, the easier it will be to get an open game. |
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Drrek
Joined: Jul 23, 2012
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Jan 28, 2025 - 21:28 |
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My point was until there is a critical mass of people that make it so I can find games as easily as I can in C (which frankly isn't even that easy in NA times), then it does not make much sense for me. I already am about at my limit on scheduling games with people specifically for leagues. |
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Sp00keh
Joined: Dec 06, 2011
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Jan 29, 2025 - 21:23 |
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Well the ruleset for [C] is 4,
And ruleset 5 is a clone but without seasons
So, make ur own league using 5 and get started |
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