Drrek
Joined: Jul 23, 2012
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Jan 30, 2025 - 01:14 |
 
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| Sp00keh wrote: | Well the ruleset for [C] is 4,
And ruleset 5 is a clone but without seasons
So, make ur own league using 5 and get started |
What part of "Leagues are harder to schedule for and so not a solution to my problem" is not coming through on my posts? I feel like I've said it in every post. |
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smeborg
Joined: Jan 04, 2019
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Jan 30, 2025 - 07:35 |
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I started playing BB in 1998 (so missed the 1st and 2nd editions).
I notice that whenever there is a rules change, there are complaints. Often these complaints appear quite vociferous (which is perhaps amplified by the nature of internet fora). Also the complaints appear usually to come from a relatively small number of coaches.
As a generalisation (not just for BB), people are mostly conservative, and dislike change. By the same token they (we) can be slow to adapt. We FUMBBLers have had 4-5 years to prepare mentally for the introduction of Seasons.
I can't help noticing that whenever changes deemed "controversial" by some are introduced into BB, the game seems to become more popular... |
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koadah
Joined: Mar 30, 2005
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Jan 30, 2025 - 08:39 |
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Sure.
Softening the game to appeal to a wider demographic is going to bring in more money.
A lot of the old guard would rather play it the old way.
You can do that in the League division to some extent.
On table top you can do whatever you like.
The only real issue is the Competitive division.
It has the special appeal that you can get a game relatively quickly at most times of the day.
It is also where the big tournaments & metas are.
If you want that flexibility then you have to accept some trade offs.
The Old Guard can accept the changes and play on, move to [L]eague or quit.
They'll be replaced by new coaches who never knew the "Good Old Days" and so the culture changes.
People naturally don't like being replaced. |
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MattDakka
Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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Jan 30, 2025 - 11:35 |
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| smeborg wrote: |
As a generalisation (not just for BB), people are mostly conservative, and dislike change. By the same token they (we) can be slow to adapt. We FUMBBLers have had 4-5 years to prepare mentally for the introduction of Seasons.
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It's not a problem of not expecting the change, we knew it.
The problem is that the change is not liked and badly designed for sure.
It's still better than facing 2000 TV teams (or big TV gaps, generally speaking) in a blind MM environment, if I have to take my poison, but playing at low TV after X games is not my cup of tea.
Failing trivial actions due to lacking Block or Sure Hands is not fun for me.
Also, the spectrum of races I face is narrowed down, boring! Mostly tier 1 teams with a strong default skill advantage.
If people have the urge to play at low TV, the NAF format is better for that and it already existed, no need to ruin the progression format with Re-Draft.
The right way for progression format was TV cap, limiting the TV spent on each player at 60 TV, capping the stat boosts at +1 per characteristic. Way better than Re-Draft, no more yo-yo effect with that.
Re-Draft could have been used for private leagues, instead, where often the teams are paired by same number of games played.
About making a custom private league: the problem is not creating a league, the problem is finding committed people to play in a private league a niche game like this, and even with committed people you can't play lots of games, due to scheduling. You can't say: "Today I want to play 4 league games". You probably will play 1-2 league games a week. Leagues lack the flexibility to play how many games you want, whenever you want.
You can make all the custom leagues you want, with the house rule you like, but you can't create people to play in them.
To make a league we would need advanced AI coaches to make up for lack or people. That is what we need.
Everybody could play in their private league with their house rules.
So, the suggestion: "Make your own league and play there" is not a valid one. |
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Garion
Joined: Aug 19, 2009
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Jan 30, 2025 - 12:05 |
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| MattDakka wrote: |
The problem is that the change is not liked and badly designed for sure.
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That's very presumptuous ... the first part anyway...
The badly designed bit. Though that's still subjective. I'd agree with you there. Aside from the change to niggles and a couple of new skills I'd say every other change this edition is poor |
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MattDakka
Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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Jan 30, 2025 - 12:10 |
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Also, if we have to play at low TV, give some boosts to the weak-at-low-TV teams. That way there would be more variety and people playing them would be less frustrated.
Just to say, giving default Sure Hands to teams missing it, and a couple of Block or Wrestle players.
Black Orcs could have MA 5 and lose Grab, just to make an example. They could have a couple of Goblins with Sure Hands (maybe with -1 AV).
It's ok to re-start but it should not be such a pain. Yesterday I failed a pick up with rr with a Ghoul and in another game I failed a rerolled 2d block due to lacking Block. Both things would have not happened without Re-Draft (because I would have had a Ghoul with Sure Hands and a Tomb Guardian with Block).
Lack of MVP nomination just makes the skill up process slower, so the players will lack the core skills for more games.
Awesome! |
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Sp00keh
Joined: Dec 06, 2011
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Jan 30, 2025 - 13:25 |
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| Drrek wrote: | | Sp00keh wrote: | Well the ruleset for [C] is 4,
And ruleset 5 is a clone but without seasons
So, make ur own league using 5 and get started |
What part of "Leagues are harder to schedule for and so not a solution to my problem" is not coming through on my posts? I feel like I've said it in every post. |
Wasn't at you specifically |
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Chivite
Joined: Sep 04, 2017
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Jan 30, 2025 - 14:21 |
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This whole conversation is either going in circles, gone offtopic, a crying room or a combination of em |
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RDaneel
Joined: Feb 24, 2023
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Jan 30, 2025 - 14:51 |
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if someone's win rate plummets of 30% in 4 days after this season redraft ... now I'm start understanding the crying room. |
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MerryZ
Joined: Nov 28, 2005
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Jan 30, 2025 - 15:29 |
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<MattDakka> because re-draft is too long
<MattDakka> at 15 games
<MattDakka> it should be 7 games by book
<MattDakka> + playofff
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MattDakka
Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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Jan 30, 2025 - 16:22 |
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And the context was: you talked about one turners (namely a Skaven Gutter Runner), and that was my comment.
Please add the context, if you want to quote me. |
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