MattDakka
Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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Jan 31, 2025 - 13:26 |
 
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| koadah wrote: | | I wouldn't expect a new edition to be much different. |
Indeed. "Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment".
No high hopes for next edition.
On the bright side, new cues to moan & complain, in case of bad ruleset. More fun than playing the game! |
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CrisisChris
Joined: Dec 11, 2023
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Jan 31, 2025 - 14:56 |
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| koadah wrote: |
For me, a large part of what I liked about the "competitive" divisions is now gone. There is now no reason for me to be there.
Yes, I could play low TV. But I can play low TV anywhere.
I wouldn't expect a new edition to be much different. |
I guess the big benefit for C division and therein Blackbox is easy game finding. Many coaches are available, so that you more or less anytime can start a game.
That is the one major disadvantage of leagues. In regular 145 for example that does not hit too much, because so many coaches play there.
Having said that a league without redraft etc. can be a solution for all those who complain. You 'only' need to find enough other coaches who share your believes and agree upon a place where to meet. All the rest could follow. Even Majors etc.
Do I believe this will happen? Not really... But in theory there is a solution at hand. |
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CrisisChris
Joined: Dec 11, 2023
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Jan 31, 2025 - 15:01 |
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| MattDakka wrote: | | CrisisChris wrote: | | There is a new edition waiting. Even more changes we need to embrace. |
Is a new edition coming for real? Or just rumours?
If yes, when? |
All rumours... but one day there will be a new edition ... At least hope tells me so. |
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Zelmor
Joined: Sep 29, 2022
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Feb 05, 2025 - 16:34 |
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1350k is fine. Y'all just want to keep your toys as long as possible. |
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MattDakka
Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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Feb 05, 2025 - 16:53 |
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No, I just want to start a Season with a decently playable team. I don't mind firing skilled players, but a team needs 2-3 reserves and positionals.
1350 is fine for teams good at low TV, with cheap players and/or many default skills (Norse, Amazons, Dwarfs, Undead, Orcs, Humans).
There is a huge difference between re-drafting the teams above and Elves. |
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MerryZ
Joined: Nov 28, 2005
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Feb 05, 2025 - 17:02 |
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Elves shouldnt start season with skilled players, reserves and positionals.
They are expensive.
You have to choose what you want. |
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koadah
Joined: Mar 30, 2005
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Feb 05, 2025 - 17:02 |
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MattDakka
Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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Feb 05, 2025 - 17:07 |
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| MerryZ wrote: | Elves shouldnt start season with skilled players, reserves and positionals.
They are expensive.
You have to choose what you want. |
I agree about the skilled players, they should not have them.
If they don't keep the skilled players, post Re-Draft they should have 12-13 players, the positionals (not all of them, but 5-6, unskilled or max with 1 skill) and 3 team rrs.
Elves are too expensive for what they do.
Agility is not used to pass, so the Elves' cost should be decreased by 5k (that would make re-drafting them cheaper by 55k).
The HE Thrower is expensive at 100k with the garbage Cloud Burster. He would be better at 90 TV without.
PA 4+ is too low on Linemen.
Play Elves, you will find that out. |
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MerryZ
Joined: Nov 28, 2005
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Feb 05, 2025 - 17:13 |
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| MattDakka wrote: |
I agree about the skilled players, they should not have them.
If they don't keep the skilled players, post Re-Draft they should have 12-13 players and the positionals (not all of them, but 5-6) and 3 team rrs.
Elves are too expensive for what they do.
Agility is not used to pass and their cost should be decreased by 5k (that would make re-drafting them cheaper by 50-55k).
The HE Thrower is expensive at 100k with the garbage Cloud Burster. He would be better at 90 TV without.
PA 4+ is too low on Linemen.
Play Elves, you will find that out. |
Helfs with 2 blitzer, thrower, 2 catchers, 12 players apo and 3 rerolls is 1170.
You can draft that every 15 games on your cycling tour.
Whats the problem ? |
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MattDakka
Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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Feb 05, 2025 - 17:14 |
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12 players after 1 game are probably 11, that's the problem.
Another problem is that, without some Dodge/Block/Wrestle (not stacked on freaks, spread on some players), 3 rrs could not be enough.
Games are more affected by luck, that way.
I understand and I agree that keeping an Elf freak would break the games, but I don't think that having a couple of Blitzers with Dodge, Tackle, 1 Thrower with Leader, 1 Catcher with Dodge and 2-3 Linemen with Wrestle or Block would break the games.
Amazons and Norse are way more powerful and cheaper.
If keeping skilled players is bad, starting every Season with a built-in massive skill advantage is bad as well.
Moreover, I don't want to start the Season in the sweetspot of Norse and Amazons and play at a disadvantage because their skills are cheaper and more easily retainable than mine.
If I could start the next Season higher than 1200, facing Norse and Amazons would be less likely (or at least I could have a couple of Tacklers to deal with them).
Is not hard to understand it, really.
There is not even MVP nomination. I used to nominate a Lineman to get quickly Kick, in old ruleset, that helped to face bash teams with a deep kick. Now you have to hope to get 6 SPPs on a Lineman or get it randomly (and that can take some games).
Where is the coaching aspect of the game?  |
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MerryZ
Joined: Nov 28, 2005
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Feb 05, 2025 - 18:02 |
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| MattDakka wrote: |
I agree about the skilled players, they should not have them.
If they don't keep the skilled players, post Re-Draft they should have 12-13 players, the positionals (not all of them, but 5-6, unskilled or max with 1 skill) and 3 team rrs.
Elves are too expensive for what they do.
Agility is not used to pass, so the Elves' cost should be decreased by 5k (that would make re-drafting them cheaper by 55k).
The HE Thrower is expensive at 100k with the garbage Cloud Burster. He would be better at 90 TV without.
PA 4+ is too low on Linemen.
Play Elves, you will find that out. |
You just wanted to have 12-13 players, 5-6 positionals, 3 rerolls and apo (?)
I told you that this is totally doable on every redraft.
Then again comes some mindless rambling about something else, dont understand why.
Why cant you just be happy that you get what you wanted on first whinge on every redraft ? |
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Zelmor
Joined: Sep 29, 2022
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Feb 05, 2025 - 18:08 |
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Matt, I play elves and vampires on tabletop with seasons and redrafting,13-15 game round robin format, they are fine. You should be forced to pick between feeding the goat or keeping the cabbage. Some teams are better post redraft early season than other. And sometimes they lose 5 players in the first match of their seasons, redrafted Valkyrie included. And sometimes they don't. Such is the game we play.
The rulebook suggests a 1300k cap on redraft. Christer is being generous with 1350k. I hope he pushes it down to 1300 at one point. I'll have to buy a bucket for the tears, though. |
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MattDakka
Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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Feb 05, 2025 - 18:09 |
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When I talked about skilled players, I meant players with 2-3 skills on each of them.
This should not be possible, I agree.
After each Season I'd like to have at least 1 skill on every positional, some Wrestle and Block on my Linemen and 12-13 players (each and every game).
Your Re-Draft basically is just a pretty new team without any gained skills, with 3 rrs and an Apo. You don't have to pay agent fees, if you fire all the players, and that saves gold.
If you want to keep 5 skilled positionals (with 1 skill each, not a single freak) is already +100 spent on agent fees, though.
@Zelmor: 1300 Re-Draft = Amazon and Norse Bowl.
Do you play Elves here on FUMBBL, though?
I don't care about the tabletop leagues you play in, because I can't check the games played there. They could have a race cap, where max 1 Amazon team and 1 Norse team are played, or the coaches playing Amazon and Norse teams could be utterly clueless about the game, just to make two examples. In the Box instead I have to face Amazon and Norse teams potentially every game.
Play in the Box the Elves, then come back to tell me they are fine. |
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