Kondor
Joined: Apr 04, 2008
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Feb 04, 2025 - 22:41 |
 
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I have recently enjoyed using AI to create images and from there used another AI program to turn them into STL printable files.
The one you may find useful is a bunch of Smurfs that are designed to be used as a Goblin, Halfling, or Gnome team.
I know many people hate AI because soon it will generate files that are as good as the top artists. Still, if that is not your worry, here are the links to a free team you can print up. It is a Work in process and there are many more files I need to add to make it a full team in the coming days.
https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:6937925
https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:6937776
https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:6938966
I use Bing Image Creator to come up with the images. I then use Maker World's Image to 3D model creator. |
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Kondor
Joined: Apr 04, 2008
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Feb 05, 2025 - 20:04 |
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I added the rest of the team. It should be complete at this point. |
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Drrek
Joined: Jul 23, 2012
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Feb 05, 2025 - 20:32 |
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I don't hate AI because it will replace top artist (also it won't, but that's another discussion).
I hate it because its creators stole other people's creative production without pay or even credit given. |
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Garion
Joined: Aug 19, 2009
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Feb 05, 2025 - 21:27 |
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| Drrek wrote: | I don't hate AI because it will replace top artist (also it won't, but that's another discussion).
I hate it because its creators stole other people's creative production without pay or even credit given. |
This ^ |
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awambawamb
Joined: Feb 17, 2008
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Feb 06, 2025 - 08:03 |
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| Drrek wrote: | I don't hate AI because it will replace top artist (also it won't, but that's another discussion).
I hate it because its creators stole other people's creative production without pay or even credit given. |
...define "theft". Are we all stealing Gimenez, Frezzato, Hildebrandt the moment we look at their illustrations and we fix rhem in our memory? AI is a tool, and a good one in speeding up the creative process the same way complex brushes in gimp, photoshop or the like sped up creative process for digital artists.
| Quote: | "When someone says:
I can do this too,
it means
that he can do it again
otherwise
he would have done it before."
B. Munari |
Do you still remember the 2001 case, A&M Records, Inc. v. Napster, Inc.? I remember that among motivations there was something like "duplicable mp3s will destroy the music industry because no one will create new things". I guess it aged like milk. We should learn from the past, quoting again designer B. Munari:
| Quote: | | [...]remember that sunset and dawn are the back and front of the same phenomenon: when we are looking at the sunset, the people over there are looking at the dawn. |
back in track:
| Kondor wrote: | | I use Bing Image Creator to come up with the images. I then use Maker World's Image to 3D model creator. |
Bravo! I guess that a polish with Blender in 3D sculpting mode would make them prettier. how long did it take? |
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CrookfangRob
Joined: Jan 22, 2019
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Feb 06, 2025 - 09:38 |
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| Garion wrote: | | Drrek wrote: | I don't hate AI because it will replace top artist (also it won't, but that's another discussion).
I hate it because its creators stole other people's creative production without pay or even credit given. |
This ^ |
Agree. Also AI art looks horrid. |
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Sp00keh
Joined: Dec 06, 2011
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Feb 06, 2025 - 10:16 |
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awambawamb
Joined: Feb 17, 2008
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Feb 06, 2025 - 13:52 |
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music is a fine example of something that should have been killed by illegal copying. https://reports.chartmetric.com/2024/chartmetric-year-in-music-2024
if artists are making little from tours and tickets are going up... did Kondor used Blake's money to generate the models? 
The moment you're worried about something you made in the past rather than create something new, you're giving more importance to the past rather than the future. That says a lot about creativity: the word "project" come from latin pro iecto, to throw in front of you, meaning you have a vision of something that still isn't there. No money talk here, I don't see why creativity has to do with economics. |
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moph
Joined: Sep 16, 2020
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Feb 06, 2025 - 14:34 |
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Creativity is linked to economics as much as everything else. It's about the means of production.
AI is bringing a big shift about. It would have been fair if the authors o the works which where used to train the models(building the machine) would have been compensated. This did not happen because the technology was new and had not been regulated. So the analogy of theft is understandable.
You're not going to project something new (being crative)if you don't know how to pay for your basic needs. I speak out of experience. |
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Sp00keh
Joined: Dec 06, 2011
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Feb 06, 2025 - 15:04 |
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| awambawamb wrote: | | if artists are making little from tours and tickets are going up... did Kondor used Blake's money to generate the models? |
Lovely false-equivalence there, it demonstrates 2 things:
- the weakness of this type of pro generative-AI stance
- the sleight of hand being performed, where average consumer is dazzled by the shiny technology, and told 'its not taking money directly from artists/workers'.. except it is. at an industrial scale.
I'm gonna repost this, as it's still fundamental to where we're misaligned:
"The underlying purpose of AI is to allow wealth to access skill, while removing from the skilled the ability to access wealth."
And saying 'lets not talk about the past', and 'lets not talk about economics', is basically:
"Meet me in the middle," says the unjust man. You take a step towards him, he takes a step back. "Meet me in the middle," says the unjust man. |
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Sp00keh
Joined: Dec 06, 2011
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Feb 06, 2025 - 15:11 |
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There's a lot of infographics and whatever on that industry site but I'm not sure what you're trying to demonstrate with it, or why it's relevant?
Also explain 'should have been killed by illegal copying' please? |
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awambawamb
Joined: Feb 17, 2008
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Feb 06, 2025 - 16:02 |
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frankly, feels like playing chess against a pigeon and I don't think I "have to" explain. PFC i separate economics because it's the unskilled, unjust man's way to level everything. "earn a living" with art: What's the living standard we're talking about? a porsche in the garage? being able to reach north pole 3, 4, 5 times in a year? continuously yearning for the latest fad? it introduces just too many variables.
If you think AI is gonna to harm creativity, go for it. save your own best paintings, your novels and your best work of art in the best safe you've got (interestingly, this would make a nice example of conceptual art: which is the best art? the one we can't see).
I think it's going to speed up creativity, and I bet a donation.
your motivation stems from the fear of being copied. copyright as is now has never fostered inventions, here's a starting point https://doi.org/10.1017/CBO9780511510854
basically you're saying "it was better when were worse". it's something the previous generations always said of the following ones, constantly thru history.
and for the music, it's clear that we have new artists every year. but as always, few can make it big. I'm sorry if James Blake felt overwhelmingly irritated if someone decided to publish a lot of combination of the same song, but what was he expecting? a cap on how many versions of the same song can be published? that's childish.
the fact that there are ai models that can concoct a song in minutes won't kill music industry, the same way printing press help the spreading of written books. |
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Sp00keh
Joined: Dec 06, 2011
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Feb 06, 2025 - 19:27 |
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Wow, you're actually pretty radical/extreme on this
I think most people would agree that artists should be paid for their work, instead of having it ripped off without compensation
Copyright is flawed and not ideal, but it does at least attempt to provide some protection for those producing works
It sounds like you'd disagree with both of those statements, so while I don't think your argument is coherent, I can't be bothered to carry this on anymore |
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moph
Joined: Sep 16, 2020
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Feb 06, 2025 - 19:34 |
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| awambawamb wrote: | | frankly, feels like playing chess against a pigeon and I don't think I "have to" explain. PFC i separate economics because it's the unskilled, unjust man's way to level everything. |
Maybe not taking the socioeconomic consequences into account is necessary for the unjust man to enrich himself on the cost of a society that made this possible for him in the first place.
| awambawamb wrote: | "earn a living" with art: What's the living standard we're talking about? a porsche in the garage? being able to reach north pole 3, 4, 5 times in a year? continuously yearning for the latest fad? it introduces just too many variables.
If you think AI is gonna to harm creativity, go for it. save your own best paintings, your novels and your best work of art in the best safe you've got (interestingly, this would make a nice example of conceptual art: which is the best art? the one we can't see).
I think it's going to speed up creativity, and I bet a donation. |
It was never about earning a living with art. Creativity might be harmed by AI in a way that we go back to a time where only a selected few will have the means to be creative.
I bet a donation that the cooperations that are going to earn big money with AI generated material will for sure be protecting their copyright.
| awambawamb wrote: | ...
the fact that there are ai models that can concoct a song in minutes won't kill music industry, the same way printing press help the spreading of written books. |
The analogy of the printing press goes not far enough this is a technological innovation that has the dimension of the invention of Writing itself.
But going back to the "theft" argument: I try to word it in a way that a pigeon might understand: Somebody is building a tool. He takes the material he needs for the tool from others without asking or compensating them. What do you call that?
And to be clear I personally don't mind Kondor using that tool for making smurf BB minis at all. I use it for player portraits as well. |
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Sp00keh
Joined: Dec 06, 2011
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Feb 06, 2025 - 19:49 |
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I agree w moph, and to add: I also don’t object at all to Kondor’s stuff at the top of this thread
It’s interesting that 3D stl can be generated from image from text prompt, I didn’t know that was possible |
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