Dynamix
Joined: Jan 21, 2009
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Feb 09, 2025 - 17:19 |
 
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| DoctorMidnight wrote: | 10 votes, but only 3 or 4 people explaining their vote...
@DaCoach: may I suggest you to send all the WIL members a PM, asking them to express their vote and feelings? Imho, it would be more "accurate" than a public anonymous vote. |
Initially waiting to see more opinions, I favour a mix of redraft and tiering caps.
The choice currently is just the two options, if these are settled as the only two choices then i will vote for one of them |
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nietizen
Joined: Jun 23, 2024
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Feb 09, 2025 - 18:14 |
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I voted no. If there was an option for redraft with 0 agent fees, I would much prefer that. It allows slower players to accumulate spp without punishment. Also, I'm not against some of the players getting strong and having interesting players to put bounties on. |
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DaCoach
Joined: Jul 22, 2004
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Feb 09, 2025 - 19:06 |
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Thanks for all the feedback. Consider the poll as more of a tool to get the conversation going. Nothing is ste in stone yet.
@Dynamix, adding gold to tiers would mean redrafting at a higher level. And if we can edit the redraft level per team, we could even do what we do today fairly simple. |
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Thoriin
Joined: Apr 15, 2011
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Feb 09, 2025 - 19:49 |
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For elves as they're really not cheap, the 1500/1700 cap is better, i got to redraft some of my C elves teams, that was really a slim cure compared to what i could keep from dwarves , zons, undead, any of the low tv tier 0 team. |
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Gridironman
Joined: Mar 18, 2022
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Feb 09, 2025 - 21:03 |
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I believe that it hurts the rivalry aspect of the league to introduce redraft, because teams willfundamentally change over time. That being said, I also believe that 10k agent fees is the only way to go IF we want to adhere to 2020 rules that badly. I would like to see teams develop as they elevate to the next tier with their caps proportionally being elevated based on their division without agent fees. A tiered division setup is probably less compatible with agent fees long run and even though I would not personaly like it in any league setup it would be better in a non-tiered division league.
Secondly, I prefer that the premiership has teams that have strong players to reflect the budget of most of the teams in the English Premier League being outsized in comparison with the other divisions. |
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Blasphemy
Joined: Oct 24, 2023
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Feb 09, 2025 - 22:09 |
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I am not sure 100% how the redraft thing works as never played in a league that has done it.
As to the cap on TV I think it is good but can be hard for teams in the low league that has just been promoted which has limited skilled players depending on the race, may be the lower leagues tweaked it a little to help.
As to length of games 7 is good, but if extended may be a bonus in some way for home game wins |
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Cicuit
Joined: May 13, 2012
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Feb 10, 2025 - 00:36 |
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As some have already mentioned, 20k agent fee is quite costly, especially for short seasons. Pretty much all of my teams in C went below 1200, which feels a bit too low for many teams to really get going.
So overall I'm not opposed to the idea of a redraft, but I feel like agent fee or/and hard TV cap could be adjusted. |
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Gridironman
Joined: Mar 18, 2022
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Feb 10, 2025 - 07:27 |
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If the admin would be willing, I'd really just hope that the current league is maintained while they implement redraft in another allegorically British league. Both leagues can coexist, however, redraft is destined to hurt promotion and relegation unless the goal is to defeat the top teams through weight of their agent fees rather than onfield. However, this is just how I view it. |
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Sweep12121
Joined: Sep 25, 2017
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Feb 10, 2025 - 08:10 |
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Voted FOR seasons and redraft.
Not sure the best way to implement, but previous experience suggests we would most likely be best served by following the latest ‘rules’ as far as possible.
I would also add that either option is absolutely fine and whatever the league committee ultimately decides is the right answer! |
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koadah
Joined: Mar 30, 2005
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Feb 10, 2025 - 10:03 |
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| Sweep12121 wrote: | Voted FOR seasons and redraft.
Not sure the best way to implement, but previous experience suggests we would most likely be best served by following the latest ‘rules’ as far as possible.
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I haven't played for a loooong time so feel free to ignore me. 
But I really do hate the idea of "playing the 'latest' rules no matter how terrible". 
But you can keep the tiers and tweak the seasons parameters to suit the league.
It would be a bit more work for the admins though. |
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awambawamb
Joined: Feb 17, 2008
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Feb 10, 2025 - 10:52 |
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| StrangeFeller wrote: | | I'm sure many people know about the ST5 pro elf blitzer and would love to be the one to kill it. |
I know... I've crippled it a bit more!
Personally I've noticed the hard TV cap worked ok and I share the fear that agent fees would be too harsh on slow teams like lizzies, nurgles and other teams that were intended to have a slow build and to be played in perpetual leagues.
I voted accordingly.
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DaCoach
Joined: Jul 22, 2004
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Feb 10, 2025 - 15:18 |
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Great feedback - keep it coming.
Reflecting over when we were on the brink of bb2020, where there was no doubt to follow suit, I acknowledge this is different: we already have seasons and mechanics to allow both new teams to enter the league, and keeping developed teams in check, without one bad season sending them so much back they can't bounce back. |
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Sableheart
Joined: Jul 14, 2014
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Feb 10, 2025 - 20:49 |
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Playing ogres, I HATE HATE HATE the current, manual TV system. My ogres keep getting skills, which keeps raising their price. Each season, I have to trim my team down to the TV tiers, which means getting rid of skills on ogres. But replacing an ogre costs 140K a pop. And I can't try to build a bank for those expenses, because of the dice roll for expensive mistakes after every game. So it regularly happens that I have to fire a skilled ogre that costs to much, but don't have the money to buy a replacement.
Redraft would mean that I can freely replace players, and strongly has my preference.
Note that I was very happy in the old system, where I build lizards to perfectly suit my needs. I would be happy to change to a similar system, but please don't stay on Manual TV culling. |
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StrangeFeller
Joined: May 13, 2023
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Feb 10, 2025 - 21:22 |
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A very good point, which has changed my mind. Before, even if agent fees were taken out of the equation, my preference would still have been for manual TV tiering, because in the redraft system winning gives you more cash, which could lead to rich get richer scenarios. But I hadn't considered Sableheart's situation - redraft without agent fees looks better than a manual TV cap to me now.
I'd still prefer higher budgets in higher divisions, provided that's technically posssible. |
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Mercutio
Joined: Jan 31, 2012
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Feb 10, 2025 - 22:08 |
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Sableheart does raise a good point and using the redraft feature with agency fees set to 0 would allow for a functional redraft system based around what we currently have. Having looked at the backend it is possible to have 0 agency fees and a flat cap for redrafting. The only issue would be implementing the tiered caps which I don't think is possible. It would mean making sure people stick to the relevant value but that shouldn't be too difficult. |
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