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Seasons and redraft or not?
Yes, seasons and redraft is the way to go
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 50%  [ 13 ]
No, manual TV tiering works better
50%
 50%  [ 13 ]
Total Votes : 26


nietizen



Joined: Jun 23, 2024

Post   Posted: Feb 10, 2025 - 23:36 Reply with quote Back to top

I think the cap could be set to 1700 with 0 agent fees and then just manually verify like now to have people set to the correct value.
Sp00keh



Joined: Dec 06, 2011

Post   Posted: Feb 11, 2025 - 10:42 Reply with quote Back to top

@Sableheart
Ogres would suffer even more with redraft, wouldn't they?
You'd still have to be firing skilled ogres. you'd actually be doing so more often as the fees grow

Ogres have Low Cost Linemen which i'm not sure how that'd work, but it possibly suits TV cap better than it does redraft. with a cap, you get the snots for free
With redraft, you have to buy the snots each season


Also
"Note that I was very happy in the old system, where I build lizards to perfectly suit my needs. I would be happy to change to a similar system, but please don't stay on Manual TV culling."

I'm confused by this, as Manual TV culling IS the old/current system. Are you talking about something else?
Your lizards and your ogres are in the same system
DaCoach



Joined: Jul 22, 2004

Post   Posted: Feb 11, 2025 - 10:53 Reply with quote Back to top

That is 2016 WIL, where the good man won the Prem in last season with these beauties: https://fumbbl.com/t/935021
Sp00keh



Joined: Dec 06, 2011

Post   Posted: Feb 11, 2025 - 11:15 Reply with quote Back to top

Ok but, WIL still had tiered TV caps back then, didn't it?

I also played in prem for a season with similar 2016 lizards https://fumbbl.com/t/877463
DaCoach



Joined: Jul 22, 2004

Post   Posted: Feb 11, 2025 - 12:13 Reply with quote Back to top

Not in the last seasons
Sp00keh



Joined: Dec 06, 2011

Post   Posted: Feb 11, 2025 - 12:56 Reply with quote Back to top

Ok, so 'old system' he's referring to there, means uncapped / no redraft / no limit on team? Smile
Vamps would also like that
koadah



Joined: Mar 30, 2005

Post   Posted: Feb 11, 2025 - 13:11 Reply with quote Back to top

DaCoach wrote:
Not in the last seasons


Ah. Makes more sense now.

Not sure it was worth inviting past coaches to the discussion unless they were pretty recent. Wink

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Idas



Joined: Feb 24, 2023

Post   Posted: Feb 11, 2025 - 15:07 Reply with quote Back to top

I had voted for manual TV tiering, but my issue is pretty much agent fees.
If it was 0 agent fees I like both manual and redraft equally I think. The hybrid of manual tiering caps with redraft probably gives the best of both worlds
Sableheart



Joined: Jul 14, 2014

Post   Posted: Feb 11, 2025 - 17:35 Reply with quote Back to top

Sp00keh wrote:
@Sableheart
Ogres would suffer even more with redraft, wouldn't they?
You'd still have to be firing skilled ogres. you'd actually be doing so more often as the fees grow

Ogres have Low Cost Linemen which i'm not sure how that'd work, but it possibly suits TV cap better than it does redraft. with a cap, you get the snots for free
With redraft, you have to buy the snots each season

True, I would still be firing skilled ogres. But the problem for me is not that I'm firing skilled ogres. The problem is that in the current system, if I have to replace a skilled ogre with an unskilled ogre to get below the TV cap, I need to have 140K in the bank.

If I end the season with six ogres, 4 of which have 40K in random skills, and 115K in cash in the bank, and I have to trim down 75K (excluding cash), I would like to replace two ogres with unskilled ones. Instead, because I don't have the money to buy an unskilled ogre, I have no choice but to fire one of those four (getting rid of 180K in TV), and keep 105K in cash to save up for buying an unskilled ogre down the line.

To do what I actually want to do at end of season (and what I could trivially do if we were using redrafting), I would need to save up to 280K throughout the season. If I end up 5K short (for example through a bad spiralling expenses roll at the second to last game), I HAVE to start the season with 5 ogres.
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