MattDakka
Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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Feb 15, 2025 - 14:11 |
 
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In 43 games I faced 2 Norse teams with 2 developed Valkyries and some Amazon teams with 2 Blockers and only Linewomen or just 1 developed Blitzer ball carrier.
My 1400 budget cap was a suggestion with this idea: starting at a TV a bit higher than the sweetspot of Norse and Amazon teams, in order to play fewer games in that TV and move away quickly from there.
This idea wasn't liked, so I thought to suggest a shorter Season: the idea of the shorter Season is: if I have to face minmaxed Amazon and Norse teams, at least they would not have developed ball carriers (or not as much as now). The same goes for the rest of the Amazon and Norse players. Even my teams won't be developed, but it's still better than playing vs lots of skills (especially if the game now is about low TV and not much development).
Facing a TV 1130 Norse team with 4 Guards and 2 Mighty Blows is not something I expect with a Re-Draft rule supposed to trim the teams.
Re-Draft affects all the teams but Norse and Amazons, currently, and something should be done to fix that. |
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CrisisChris
Joined: Dec 11, 2023
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Feb 15, 2025 - 14:15 |
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| BeanBelly wrote: | Season length is a parameter within the League Commissioners remit, and worth discussion.
Stat increases is GW rules so is just idle chat really. |
Fully agree. But since 'everybody' is calling for the old BB16 skill up rules to come back... Which are not according to the current GW rules as well, why should I not ask an innocent question as well?  |
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MattDakka
Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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Feb 15, 2025 - 14:16 |
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It's possible to have freaks on Norse and Amazon teams, it's a fact backed up by actual experience.
It's possible to know that easily, no need to play 1,000,000 games to do a statistical research.
Norse can get random G and S skills almost every game (so they roll way more times than a team lacking core skills and they are going to get the good skills faster). Easy Leader access is another minmax help.
Re-Draft was supposed to counter freaks, after all.
As it's now it doesn't work, hence my idea.
That said, using a system made for private leagues with a fixed number of games played and where every team plays the same number of games (and likely not vs a spam of Norse and Amazon teams) it's not going to work well when used in a perpetual league environment.
In a perpetual league we should use a system tailored and specifically aimed to keep teams in check game after game, not after x games.
That's so self-evident that I find stupid having to explain it.
I can play Norse and Amazon teams myself and minmax like hell without playing other teams, I'm just trying to suggest something constructive. |
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CrisisChris
Joined: Dec 11, 2023
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Feb 15, 2025 - 14:33 |
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| MattDakka wrote: | It's possible to have freaks on Norse and Amazon teams, it's a fact backed up by actual experience.
It's possible to know that easily, no need to play 1,000,000 of games to do a statistical research.
Norse can get random G and S skills almost every game (so they roll way more times than a team lacking core skills). Easy Leader access is another minmax help.
Re-Draft was supposed to counter freaks, after all.
As it's now it doesn't work, hence my idea. |
I guess we all get that. And most of us assumed that Amazon an Norse could be the big winners of the re-draft rules because the can focus on very few players during a redraft and hire new ones that have 'all they really need' out of the box and prevent agent fees.
What I wanted to highlight is the fact that we need to see the whole picture instead of only looking at two specific teams. With a significant number of games played after the implementation of re-draft we can see the roster stats. And with some time the impact of 'legacy' teams in those stats will be less relevant as well.
So maybe it would be nice to have a filter in the roster stats to consider only matches after the re-draft went live. Or only teams that re-drafted at least once... I do not know there are people with much more experience that I have. :-p |
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koadah
Joined: Mar 30, 2005
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Feb 15, 2025 - 14:39 |
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CrisisChris
Joined: Dec 11, 2023
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Feb 15, 2025 - 14:49 |
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That is helpful. But either I am blind or ... no matter to go deeper into that topic... there is no setting in the roster stats to do that, right? You need to know how to adjust the Link and then it will show you what you want to see... or is the 'problem' located in front of the screen?
Edit: Would it be possible to select multiple month as well? Or maybe really implement a filter starting at Jan 25th 2025??? (Knowing that the number of games played with legacy teams may still be quite high at the Moment) |
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koadah
Joined: Mar 30, 2005
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Feb 15, 2025 - 15:40 |
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ThierryM
Joined: Mar 27, 2015
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Feb 15, 2025 - 16:23 |
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And remember that at any time, in the most casual match, you stat freak of x seasons may meet his creator on a random block / gfi / dodge / whatever.
One player (or 2, or 3) doesn't make the team.
Even the rank and file player (Loners included) is worth his weight of gold, able to score the winning TD, save the day with a desperate blitz, intercept the opponent pass for a td and so on.
Sure, developped players help a lot, but they have a huge target on them too.
PS : easy marking for those players that are bothering you in the opponent's team : "KILL". Whatever their skills, they need to be brought down ) |
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CrisisChris
Joined: Dec 11, 2023
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Feb 15, 2025 - 16:52 |
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| koadah wrote: | You'll have to ask Christer about that. 
But as there is less that three weeks data and the link give you two weeks I don't know who is going to put time and effort into getting you more.
What do you really expect it to tell you?
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics"  |
I agree, at this point in time there is no big differences. But this may change once we reach March. If statistics will be always limited to one single month the total amount of matches considered in the roster win rates may not be significant enough.
So if we want to analyse (at some point in the future) how the teams perform with the implemented redraft IT may be good to differenciate C games by before and after Jan 25th.
But as you said: Nothing urgent |
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Drrek
Joined: Jul 23, 2012
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Feb 15, 2025 - 17:37 |
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| BeanBelly wrote: | Season length is a parameter within the League Commissioners remit, and worth discussion.
Stat increases is GW rules so is just idle chat really. |
Yeah, but I hate the new skilling system enough to just complain about it in (mostly) unrelated topics anyway. |
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koadah
Joined: Mar 30, 2005
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Feb 15, 2025 - 18:02 |
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MattDakka
Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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Feb 15, 2025 - 19:56 |
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| Drrek wrote: |
Yeah, but I hate the new skilling system enough to just complain about it in (mostly) unrelated topics anyway. |
I appreciate your complaint attitude, keep it up! 
| RDaneel wrote: | | MattDakka wrote: | It's possible to have freaks on Norse and Amazon teams, it's a fact backed up by actual experience.
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Yes is possible.
You are simply going through the same experience that hundreds of coaches had vs you by spinning their "15-30 games played teams" at TV 1500-1700
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yours "300-400 games played" freaked teams at TV 1500-1700.
Now you realize how much is difficult to keep a 70% win rate in BlackBox.
Welcome to the real world Dakka. |
And your comment makes no sense, because that was when we had no Re-Draft and I could have either faced younger or older teams than mine (it's called "blind matchmaking for a good reason), or even find no game at all and waste hours, thanks to the "low TV worship" of the people activating in the Box. All of this after 11 months of wasting time on GF due to lack of Box, by the way.
Now, though, there is Re-Draft, and I've been told that it is supposed to trim the freaks.
So, the focus of the discussion is Re-Draft failing to keep the freaks in check as intended.
What you say is quite off-topic and a stab at me for the sake of it, not surprisingly.
Don't even try to bother me with this stuff.
If you want to point finger at somebody, bother people spending their time on GF picking noobs to rack easy win and CR points.
Every time I try to make a constructive debate I'm attacked by the usual trolls and nothing is made to keep them in check, mah...
You don't like my idea? Perfect, just say that, and, if you can, try to explain why in a reasonable and logical way. That is what fora are made for, in case you didn't know it.
If you have just to troll me don't bother writing at all.
You are a guy refusing to play vs me a mirror match with fresh teams of your choice at TV 1000. Even coward, not just troll, and you keep on writing and writing. |
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RDaneel
Joined: Feb 24, 2023
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Feb 16, 2025 - 00:34 |
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| MattDakka wrote: |
So, the focus of the discussion is Re-Draft failing to keep the freaks in check as intended. |
It is your specific point of view and i disagree with this sentence you wrote.
I really suspect you have started a storm in glass of water because you are losing games after the redraft and you think that this is manly due to the "bad way" the redraft has been implemented (this post you started is not the first which criticize the redraft after 18th of January 2025).
here specifically this presumptuous OP of Norse who can stat freak faster (with respect what?) in 15 games season does not have any statistic meaning now (let's review in 2-3 season if is really the case).
I think Norse can be very nasty in the first 10 games if properly played, properly skilled (and if their armour keep)( i think i discover the hot water here)
It is important also to choose correct stat.
You had Norse team from the old ruleset which has been redrafted, probably you redrafted in non perfect way, you met strong coach who was able to chose better skills... they played better than you or they were more lucky than you: who knows... but - it make no sense to ask for a MAJOR change of redraft just 3 weeks after start because you lost/draw 2 games vs Norse and/or lost/draw 2 games vs Amazons in the last 21 days.
You can start a poll to ask people: are Norse OP in the first 15 games? let's do it but this specific post and your specific conclusion for me are totally wrong.
<snip> so i think i will stop my contribution to this thread here. |
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Christer
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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| koadah wrote: | | I suspect that seasons are set at 15 games because of the Trophy. |
For the record, it's the other way around: The trophy is 15 games because seasons were chosen to be 15 games long. |
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koadah
Joined: Mar 30, 2005
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Feb 16, 2025 - 10:34 |
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