chaoshugs_
Joined: Jan 22, 2022
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Mar 14, 2025 - 17:07 |
 
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Not sure if this has been brought up before but based off anecdotal experience of 2 games, seems there is a bit of a flaw in the matching algorithm now seasons have been introduced...
Today my orcs 2 games into second season at 1220 TV faced an uber powerful 5 rr vampire team at 1700 TV.
I didn't even mean to join BB at this time in the morning but I managed to entertain it for 1 turn before realising at was a waste of my time to even try, so I conceded and paid a price of losing some decent players. Not my finest moment but it happened.
I saw the same thing happened to a dwarf coach vs the same vampire team later in the day. They at least did try, but the result was inevitable.
I guess it might iron itself out as those teams go beyond s2 or even s3 but seems the games played % above TV factor needs adjusting somehow given that soon after rebuy you are fairly slim on players and/or rerolls vs those that have had a few more games to rebuild fully (especially those with cheaper linemen!). |
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MattDakka
Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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Mar 14, 2025 - 17:27 |
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I suggested to use brackets for Season 2+ teams' pairing:
Something like:
- teams with 0-4 games paired with teams with 0-4 games;
- teams with 5-9 games paired with teams with 5-9 games;
- teams with 10-14 games paired with teams with 10-14 games;
or less granular, to make Box draws more likely:
- teams with 0-7 games paired with teams with 0-7 games;
- teams with 8-14 games paired with teams with 8-14 games.
Also, it could help to reduce the Seasons from 15 games to 12 or even 10 games. Developed ball carriers are still quite common, even on teams created after Re-Draft implementation. |
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Joost
Joined: Mar 17, 2014
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Mar 14, 2025 - 19:09 |
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| chaoshugs_ wrote: | Not sure if this has been brought up before but based off anecdotal experience of 2 games, seems there is a bit of a flaw in the matching algorithm now seasons have been introduced...
Today my orcs 2 games into second season at 1220 TV faced an uber powerful 5 rr vampire team at 1700 TV.
I didn't even mean to join BB at this time in the morning but I managed to entertain it for 1 turn before realising at was a waste of my time to even try, so I conceded and paid a price of losing some decent players. Not my finest moment but it happened.
I saw the same thing happened to a dwarf coach vs the same vampire team later in the day. They at least did try, but the result was inevitable.
I guess it might iron itself out as those teams go beyond s2 or even s3 but seems the games played % above TV factor needs adjusting somehow given that soon after rebuy you are fairly slim on players and/or rerolls vs those that have had a few more games to rebuild fully (especially those with cheaper linemen!). |
After the first season you can run into some nasty teams in the Box and get a very unbalanced game. Unless it is for a Trophy maybe, I will avoid it. |
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MerryZ
Joined: Nov 28, 2005
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Mar 14, 2025 - 19:16 |
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I feel so sorry for orcs, so so sorry. |
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DoctorMidnight
Joined: Jul 07, 2022
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Mar 14, 2025 - 19:36 |
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I'm currently running for the Iron Dwarf Trophy... and I confirm it's a huge problem.
Look at the top 20:
https://fumbbl.com/p/idt
How many teams above 15 games can you see?
If the Box is a shark tank, the season 2 Box is a shark tank full of krakens and giant octopuses and Cthulhu waiting for you in the depths as bonuses..... |
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MattDakka
Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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Mar 14, 2025 - 19:49 |
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Some of the IRONDWARF Trophy teams were created before Re-Draft implementation, so their players are more developed than they should be.
I play regularly in the Box and most games with Season 2+ teams looked fine to me. The bad games generally are the ones facing very developed players (typically ball carriers) despite the Re-Draft. Some of them are on teams created before Re-Draft, but not all. This is why I suggested to make a shorter Season, currently it's quite possible to have a +2 MA ball carrier in 15 games. With every Re-Draft kicking in after 15 games, the freaks can stay around for 30 or even more games.
Keeping a super ball carrier for so many games pretty much defeats the concept of Re-Draft. Playing at low TV is fine, but the freaks must be harder and more expensive to build and keep. |
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smeborg
Joined: Jan 04, 2019
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Mar 14, 2025 - 21:56 |
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I played against my first Season 2 opponent in SLO. I made a rash challenge without really thinking about it, and ended up playing with 6 acquired skills vs. 13. A mighty struggle! I would say that there is (normally - of course there will be exceptions) a deep imbalance when a Season 1 team is drawn against a Season 2 team at around the same TV (because of the difference in the number of acquired skills).
I have the following practical suggestions:
- Have a separate Blackbox draw for Season 2+ teams, and/or
- Prioritise in the Blackbox algorithm that Season 2+ teams be drawn against one another, and/or
- Add (say) 100,000 in Inducement money to the Season 1 team, and/or
- Allow an "opt out" for season 1 teams that are drawn against Season 2+ teams.
Hope that helps! |
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MattDakka
Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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Mar 14, 2025 - 22:01 |
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| smeborg wrote: |
I have the following practical suggestions:
- Have a separate Blackbox draw for Season 2+ teams, and/or
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The Black Box already matches Season 1 teams only with Season 1 teams and Season 2+ teams only with Season 2+ teams:
https://fumbbl.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=33217
(source: Christer himself) |
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