MattDakka
Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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Mar 17, 2025 - 13:20 |
 
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In order to make a TV gap draw less likely, you could try to activate teams ranging from 1000-1200 to 1400 (maybe at least 3 teams, one around 1000-1100, one around 1200, one around 1300). Not saying to implement it as a Box system, I mean doing it yourself.
I do that and I rarely get matched with teams higher than 1400 TV.
Since most teams are at low TV, chances are that one of your lower TV team will get matched with another low TV team.
The possibility of facing a monoactivated high TV still exists, but that could reduce the chance. |
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Sp00keh
Joined: Dec 06, 2011
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Mar 17, 2025 - 13:22 |
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Yea that's true, and worth bearing in mind
I find though, if I activate s2+ 1400k team and a s1 1000k team, it's almost always the s1 team that gets matched
Sometimes I don't mind which team I'm playing with, and I'll activate 3-4 teams
But sometimes I want games with a particular team that I'm trying to build, depends what mood I'm in. So that means to get games with that team, I'll have to deactivate the others |
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MattDakka
Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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Mar 17, 2025 - 13:31 |
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Yes, not saying that multiactivation is the perfect, flawless solution to the TV gaps, but it's a little precaution that doesn't cost too much, unless you want to play just a team pursuing your specific agenda (building for a Major, or just liking that race etc.).
We are still in a transition phase and some teams are still mid-high or high TV.
I don't like big TV gaps in the Box either (in my humble opinion they should only belong to tournaments and private leagues) but the Box is not that bad right now.
In theory the developed players will be fired, eventually. |
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ArrestedDevelopment
Joined: Sep 14, 2015
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Mar 17, 2025 - 13:38 |
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Actually - in fact it might help get games played. If people knew they wouldn't get a massive TV gap, they might be more inclined to play their s2+ teams |
A massive TV gap can be (and is for a lot of people, I agree) a negative game experience. However, the data has that Christer has always shown in the past that pretty much any TV gap is in favour of the larger team and you almost never sink below 40% to win, even at gaps of 1m+.
Smaller than 300tv TV gaps are largely not any easier for people to win and might well actually just be games where they face increased levels of guard and mighty blow which produces a negative experience and a wrecked team. Especially so if we create an environment where it's all bash in the mid-levels avoiding the teams who actually want to grow.
It's purely theoretical but the box tends towards bash like any other blind matchmaker and the current issue is thrown up by a few vampire teams - the last visible complaints about the s2 box previous to this were about norse and amazon teams with super carriers. Which is about as far in other direction as you can get.
I mean if we take your undead team would you really be happier playing vs 1450-1500tv Orcs with guard and mb all over the team (perhaps even at 10k in spots) with half or more of a season to rando roll DP on the linos? I know a lot of people wouldn't.
That's potentially what a TV-gap cap gets with the aforementioned 300-350 cap. And then all we really do is quibble about how the large the gap should be and how we next restrict the possible matches.
I'm not entirely blind to this and it is potentially a real problem when a game 2 team faces a game 8+ team imo, but that's not an issue a TV gap cap will solve and it's one that the wider site has already decided is too restrictive on matches to exclude from even s1 pairings. |
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MattDakka
Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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Mar 17, 2025 - 13:45 |
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The TV gap can be balanced according to statistics, but the Box is a TVMM system and I expect a reasonable TV-matching from it.
It's not even a matter of balance or win rate, I just don't like to be paired with a potentially game breaking team, even if it happens once in a blue Moon.
If I were on GF I would not accept a TV gap match. I consider the Box a sort of "blind GF" where I have a certain control on the TV of my opponent teams.
Blind opponent and team are ok, but within a certain TV difference (namely 145 TV, in my ideal world), especially if I activated 6 teams and my opponent just 1 (thus increasing, with their choice, the TV gap chance).
If people want to build their super high TV team, they can do that on GF.
About the 350 TV gap cap: well, it's better to have a 350 TV gap cap than no TV cap at all. |
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ArrestedDevelopment
Joined: Sep 14, 2015
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Mar 17, 2025 - 14:10 |
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Well Matt I think everyone else is trying to discuss what is best for the site and division, even if in some cases bias creeps in as it is, quite humanly, perhaps difficult to propose what is holistically best for the collective if one has an individual stake in it.
But it's not really helpful to argue from the basis of a foregone conclusion. |
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koadah
Joined: Mar 30, 2005
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Mar 17, 2025 - 14:26 |
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