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MattDakka



Joined: Oct 09, 2007
Post   Posted: Feb 14, 2025 - 13:57 Reply with quote Back to top
After several games I noticed that, despite Re-Draft, Amazon and Norse teams can have freak ball carriers and skilled linemen with 1-2 skills each (some with random S skills, in Norse's case).
Thus I propose, for the future (when Trophy will be over) to reduce the Season's length from 15 games to 12.
That would make keeping skilled players on super minmaxed teams a bit harder.
Why 12 games?
Because, assuming 1 TD scored per game, a ball carrier would have 36 SPPs at Season's end. That means only 1 stat boost (38 SPPs = 2 stat boosts).
Although it's possible to have more than 36 SPPs even with 12 games played (but it's harder than with 15 games played) some players would have to be fired, thus reducing the number of linemen with random G and S skills.
12 should be the right compromise between a bit of development and a bit of players' trimming.
koadah



Joined: Mar 30, 2005
Post   Posted: Feb 14, 2025 - 14:12 Reply with quote Back to top
I suspect that seasons are set at 15 games because of the Trophy.

I would expect priority to be given to the Trophy not 2nd season+ teams.

So, don't get your hopes up.

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BeanBelly



Joined: Nov 14, 2019
Post   Posted: Feb 14, 2025 - 14:18 Reply with quote Back to top
ohh I think I might find myself agreeing with MattDakka's 12 game season idea.

Despite the barriers, it's probably more likely than GW changing the number of sides on a block die ^^

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MattDakka



Joined: Oct 09, 2007
Post   Posted: Feb 14, 2025 - 15:37 Reply with quote Back to top
Well, if 12-game Season is a problem for the Trophy, a 12-game Season starting from Season 2 on.
It's really meant to be a constructive suggestion. Smile
As an aside, it would be nice to have a more accurate Box scheduler's pairing, like so:

- teams with 0-7 games paired, if possible, with teams with 0-7 games;
- teams with 8-14 games paired, if possible, with teams with 8-14 games.

So, not just using Seasons to match the teams, but brackets of games played. If it's not possible to match by games played and Seasons, then just match by Seasons (otherwise it would be too hard to match teams).
If a Season 2 team with 1 game played faces a 14-game Season team the latter could have an advantage, even if the TV is the same, because with more games played there is a higher chance to randomise good G and S skill (so, the TVs would be the same, but there would be a TV minmax hidden edge).


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Garion



Joined: Aug 19, 2009
Post   Posted: Feb 14, 2025 - 16:14 Reply with quote Back to top
ban stat boosts Cool

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Drrek



Joined: Jul 23, 2012
Post   Posted: Feb 14, 2025 - 16:20 Reply with quote Back to top
Garion wrote:
ban stat boosts Cool


Nah, just revert to the older system where you couldn't just guarantee them on whatever player you wanted to.

Oh what's the movement on your dwarf runner for this Major? 8? Just like every other dwarf runner here?
MattDakka



Joined: Oct 09, 2007
Post   Posted: Feb 14, 2025 - 16:21 Reply with quote Back to top
Cookie-cutter Legends!
Yes, I had more fun when stat boosts weren't assured.
It doesn't feel that special when you know you will get it 100%.
Garion



Joined: Aug 19, 2009
Post   Posted: Feb 14, 2025 - 17:37 Reply with quote Back to top
Drrek wrote:
Garion wrote:
ban stat boosts Cool


Nah, just revert to the older system where you couldn't just guarantee them on whatever player you wanted to.

Oh what's the movement on your dwarf runner for this Major? 8? Just like every other dwarf runner here?


Yeah I was only joking... the stat increase system this edition is awful!!!!!

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Carthage



Joined: Mar 18, 2021
Post   Posted: Feb 14, 2025 - 19:12 Reply with quote Back to top
Drrek wrote:
Garion wrote:
ban stat boosts Cool


Nah, just revert to the older system where you couldn't just guarantee them on whatever player you wanted to.

Oh what's the movement on your dwarf runner for this Major? 8? Just like every other dwarf runner here?


^This.
Or restructure the stat rolls so
1-8 is AV or PA+ (Big buff to throwers, but passing sucks so its ok? Maybe?)
9-12 is MA, AV or PA+
12-14 is MA, AV, PA, AG
15-16 is anything.

If you take away MA being basically automatic, it at least significantly slows down the progress to super runners on teams that shouldn't have them. Yeah, they'll likely deny the stat up when they roll a 5 and take a primary but at least means it takes longer.
JanMattys



Joined: Feb 29, 2004
Post   Posted: Feb 14, 2025 - 19:23 Reply with quote Back to top
MerryZ wrote:
Also didnt you just want bigger redraft cap ?

Im I just stupid or aint this totally opposite ?


If the 12 games proposal gets accepted, be prepared for another post saying that 12 games are not enough to develop decent orcs.

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Post   Posted: Feb 14, 2025 - 21:10 Reply with quote Back to top
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CrisisChris



Joined: Dec 11, 2023
Post   Posted: Feb 15, 2025 - 14:01 Reply with quote Back to top
I think all those calls for change (higher redraft budget, less games per season...) may sound reasonable (or not). In the end it all comes back - at least for me - to the fact that we just do not know (yet).

We did not see what would be the implications for NEW teams to build up for several seasons with the current settings. Not for normal c games, and also not for minors and majors. What we see is old teams build up in many games without re-draft having an edge over new teams.

So why Not give it some time before calling for changes without waiting for some solid Numbers to prove arguments?

My2Cents on the skills up discussion: Players have access to specific Skill categories, ever thought about limiting the access to Stat increases as well? And I did Not Play enough in olden times to have an oppinion on the BB16 Skill Up system.



Edit: Please forgive my awful German mobile auto-correction on leading capitals for each and every word.
BeanBelly



Joined: Nov 14, 2019
Post   Posted: Feb 15, 2025 - 14:07 Reply with quote Back to top
Season length is a parameter within the League Commissioners remit, and worth discussion.
Stat increases is GW rules so is just idle chat really.

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RDaneel



Joined: Feb 24, 2023
Post   Posted: Feb 15, 2025 - 14:11 Reply with quote Back to top
CrisisChris wrote:


So why Not give it some time before calling for changes without waiting for some solid Numbers to prove arguments?


You said very well. Before we start asking for changes let's play two -three seasons.

This change request -apart from assuming norse superpower in 15 games season tournaments all to be proven - in my opinion hides a very personal frustration (see my post on the previous page). Wink

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