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2022-04-20 20:40:48
3 votes, rating 6
3 votes, rating 6
New Rules : BLITZ on DumpOff skill // Strange, no?
The Problem ( not exactly a bug ) seems not really logical :
I've seen this action in a matche between rats and DElves:
1) Rats are playing their turn, a GRunner choose to blitz the Runner
2) The Runner has to choose a guy to DumpOff ball
3) He does and miss the pass, then ball is falling very far from the target
4) Rat does not even go near the BC !!!
5) Rat is running where the ball is to pickup !! Yes that's the goal to catch ball
My conclusion :
-To my mind the blitzer needs logically to go at least in MortalZone (old words rules in 1st BB V.1) before BC skilled with dumpOff to do his DumpOff.
When you imagne what would be this action in true life you never see in rugby or USFootball the quaterback doing a short pass if the guy wanting to blitz him is very far from him!
So of course I could be wrong in my analyze and I m not very good to explain with my french
ridiculous english !!
I would like to have coaches opinion about this subject because it retires interest of a dumpOff skill,
sometimes it could even do about this skill a disadvantage, especially vs fast teams like Rats, elves
etc..
I've seen this action in a matche between rats and DElves:
1) Rats are playing their turn, a GRunner choose to blitz the Runner
2) The Runner has to choose a guy to DumpOff ball
3) He does and miss the pass, then ball is falling very far from the target
4) Rat does not even go near the BC !!!
5) Rat is running where the ball is to pickup !! Yes that's the goal to catch ball
My conclusion :
-To my mind the blitzer needs logically to go at least in MortalZone (old words rules in 1st BB V.1) before BC skilled with dumpOff to do his DumpOff.
When you imagne what would be this action in true life you never see in rugby or USFootball the quaterback doing a short pass if the guy wanting to blitz him is very far from him!
So of course I could be wrong in my analyze and I m not very good to explain with my french
ridiculous english !!
I would like to have coaches opinion about this subject because it retires interest of a dumpOff skill,
sometimes it could even do about this skill a disadvantage, especially vs fast teams like Rats, elves
etc..
Comments
Posted by razmus on 2022-04-20 21:09:57
Logic issues with the rules, I think would go to bloodbowlfaq@gwplc.com -- which is technically for questions, but "What the heck were y'all smoking?" is technically a question. But what you describe is, I believe unequivocally a possible ordering of actions.
Maybe think of it as, the gutter runner flashed his impressive incisors and squeaked mightily at the DElf runner and the DElf runner panicked?
Maybe think of it as, the gutter runner flashed his impressive incisors and squeaked mightily at the DElf runner and the DElf runner panicked?
Posted by Azur on 2022-04-21 00:13:38
Tu as assez bien résumé Dump Off.
D'autant plus qu'il se fait dorénavant sur un 3+, et non plus sur un 2+ (vu que ce n'est plus la carac AGI mais la nouvelle carac PASS qui intervient).
Bref, une compétence bien moins intéressante qu'avant.
D'autant plus qu'il se fait dorénavant sur un 3+, et non plus sur un 2+ (vu que ce n'est plus la carac AGI mais la nouvelle carac PASS qui intervient).
Bref, une compétence bien moins intéressante qu'avant.
Posted by PurpleChest on 2022-04-21 00:17:48
that is right, those are the rules.
it is stupid
But those are the rules.
it is stupid
But those are the rules.
Posted by razmus on 2022-04-21 02:18:29
Oui, mais le blitzer n'arrive plus à imposer sa zone de tacle et il l'a fait avant... donc effectivement c'était un 3+ avant (à moins que le passeur n'ait des nerfs d'acier.)
Posted by MrCushtie on 2022-04-21 07:00:18
I don't think it's stupid at all. Reflects some jumped-up pointy eared scoundrel panicking and chucking the ball away, when he had the slightest worry about getting his armour dinged. Sure, he *could* have waited until the rat got close, but he's no sturdy S4 black orc, now is he?
Posted by Azur on 2022-04-21 11:00:05
remarque pertinente, Razmus!
Your French is über-fluent now ;)
Your French is über-fluent now ;)
Posted by mekutata on 2022-04-22 15:16:51
The big questions. Does it work with Bombardier? Why not?
Posted by MattDakka on 2022-04-23 11:53:12
I agree that how Dump-Off works now it's stupid. While it's nice to be able to Dump-Off BEFORE the Blitz takes place, on the other hand it's bad because the Blitzing player can change his mind benefitting from the hindsight of the Dump-Off outcome and ball's final position.
I experienced the same ridiculous occurrance in a DE vs WE match, the WD declared a Blitz against my Runner, who failed the Dump-Off pass, the WD didn't even bother to blitz the Runner and changed his path to pick it up.
I think that would be more realistic to work out the Dump-Off with these steps:
1) Declare Blitz;
2) Work out the Dump-Off pass;
3) The Blitzing player MUST get adjacent to the Dump-Off player; He can choose to forgo the Block part of the Blitz, but he must get adjacent to the Dump-Off player before he can change his path.
Alternatively, could be nice to let the Dump-Off player decide when to pass the ball, once the Blitz has been declared. That would provide more flexibility. The Dump-Off could happen either as soon as the Blitz has been declared or when the Blitzing player is mid-range or when the Blitzing player is adjacent to him.
This would provide an extra layer of strategy.
I experienced the same ridiculous occurrance in a DE vs WE match, the WD declared a Blitz against my Runner, who failed the Dump-Off pass, the WD didn't even bother to blitz the Runner and changed his path to pick it up.
I think that would be more realistic to work out the Dump-Off with these steps:
1) Declare Blitz;
2) Work out the Dump-Off pass;
3) The Blitzing player MUST get adjacent to the Dump-Off player; He can choose to forgo the Block part of the Blitz, but he must get adjacent to the Dump-Off player before he can change his path.
Alternatively, could be nice to let the Dump-Off player decide when to pass the ball, once the Blitz has been declared. That would provide more flexibility. The Dump-Off could happen either as soon as the Blitz has been declared or when the Blitzing player is mid-range or when the Blitzing player is adjacent to him.
This would provide an extra layer of strategy.