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2015-10-31 13:30:48
13 votes, rating 1.5
13 votes, rating 1.5
Elves' anti mark
In a few days I have seen enough of RFumbbl's meta. Most of the players play Nurgle, Chaos Pact and Khemri and most of the people who plays pro elves, and elves in general, try to avoid non ag matches because the risk of injuries. Here is my tactic in my pro elf strategy, dirty player and kick players are the perfect shield for them. I always try to leave them as an easy trade protecting my star players from pushes.
As a rule, you should put a lineman in front of the star player, it's mandatory, but we usually leave the chance of a pilling on-mighty blow block that will lead to a ko, if we are lucky enough. For 6 spp (dirty player, kick player) I move the mark of my opponent offering him a good trade for me.
Develop anti mark players like this:
Kick-wrestle(for backline pushes)-fend- dodge
You choose dodge as your last skill just to make clear to your opponent that your player is pusheable. If he dies then you lose what you want.
Dirty Player-wrestle(for a dirty player quick back reaction)- sneaky git- fend- dodge
Cactus Killer
As a rule, you should put a lineman in front of the star player, it's mandatory, but we usually leave the chance of a pilling on-mighty blow block that will lead to a ko, if we are lucky enough. For 6 spp (dirty player, kick player) I move the mark of my opponent offering him a good trade for me.
Develop anti mark players like this:
Kick-wrestle(for backline pushes)-fend- dodge
You choose dodge as your last skill just to make clear to your opponent that your player is pusheable. If he dies then you lose what you want.
Dirty Player-wrestle(for a dirty player quick back reaction)- sneaky git- fend- dodge
Cactus Killer
Comments
Posted by harvestmouse on 2015-10-31 13:34:22
Are you seriously talking about standards when you're picking like what ever the term is for an uber picker. Don't throw stones when living in a greenhouse with brittle glass.
And for the record I can't see why Khemri would be so popular, pretty sure you're wrong there.
And for the record I can't see why Khemri would be so popular, pretty sure you're wrong there.
Posted by cactuskiller on 2015-10-31 13:43:02
Yes, I'm talking serious, pro elf team earns from 12-20 spp for match you can have a new kicker ready for the next match. Is all about trades and pro elves coachers should trade 60 k lineman instead of a catcher.
Fumbbl meta is Pilling on -Mighty blow combo as a standard. People play two general strategies, turnover teams, with block as a default (dwarf, nord, chaos dwarf) and overrun with quantity to low av teams with pilling on- mighty blow combo and a rooster full of 50k linemen to protect Super Star characters.
In general is the tactic of bloodbowl's long term leagues because it was designed to do that, then games workshop and the community added fend and wrestle to protect low av teams from that hell of 14 years old kid combo.
Fumbbl meta is Pilling on -Mighty blow combo as a standard. People play two general strategies, turnover teams, with block as a default (dwarf, nord, chaos dwarf) and overrun with quantity to low av teams with pilling on- mighty blow combo and a rooster full of 50k linemen to protect Super Star characters.
In general is the tactic of bloodbowl's long term leagues because it was designed to do that, then games workshop and the community added fend and wrestle to protect low av teams from that hell of 14 years old kid combo.
Posted by harvestmouse on 2015-10-31 13:47:35
You've missed my points.
My points are:
*You're generalizing, where there's a big differences in divisions.
*The 3 teams you listed I'm pretty sure aren't that popular in ranked.
*It's pretty hard to come to any conclusion with the chimps you're picking.
*If you continue in the same vein you could take 'smear your skin with shit' as a first skill and do equally well.
So my conclusion is you've discovered nothing as of yet, but best of luck.
My points are:
*You're generalizing, where there's a big differences in divisions.
*The 3 teams you listed I'm pretty sure aren't that popular in ranked.
*It's pretty hard to come to any conclusion with the chimps you're picking.
*If you continue in the same vein you could take 'smear your skin with shit' as a first skill and do equally well.
So my conclusion is you've discovered nothing as of yet, but best of luck.
Posted by cactuskiller on 2015-10-31 13:56:11
Ey I don't think so:
-I put a R in front of Fumbbl, it means ranked.
-All last week when I was online waiting for the next match I have been doing a count of teams in an excel to probe it.
-Kick and dirty players in an elf team are a need and everybody that plays with a high frequence with or against elves teams knows it
-You didn't ask me where to move those players you are supposing that you should leave them in front of a push, because you suppose you know it
Then thanks for the comment buddy, my conclusion is that there is None so deaf as those who will not hear
-I put a R in front of Fumbbl, it means ranked.
-All last week when I was online waiting for the next match I have been doing a count of teams in an excel to probe it.
-Kick and dirty players in an elf team are a need and everybody that plays with a high frequence with or against elves teams knows it
-You didn't ask me where to move those players you are supposing that you should leave them in front of a push, because you suppose you know it
Then thanks for the comment buddy, my conclusion is that there is None so deaf as those who will not hear
Posted by harvestmouse on 2015-10-31 14:09:01
I guess so......I understood practically none of that, so evidently you've lost me with your uber tactical knowledge. Kudos.
Posted by anisdrin on 2015-10-31 14:50:21
You know nothing Jon Snow
Posted by akaRenton on 2015-10-31 14:50:40
Not seeing your point either. One weekends worth of matches is hardly valid statistical data. From your matches all I can see is you mostly beat people with terrible records, and have a slight lean toward loss against coaches with similar or higher CR.
Seems a lot of TV you'd give away with your plans with your anti players for someone who is still very killable, just cant be followed with Frenzy or PO. MB works perfectly well for demolishing elves which no amount of fend will prevent.
A better plan is to avoid leaving your players touching base as that is not the best way to get elves to perform. Leave them just a blitz every turn where possible will be much more effective than a stack of unecessary skills.
Seems a lot of TV you'd give away with your plans with your anti players for someone who is still very killable, just cant be followed with Frenzy or PO. MB works perfectly well for demolishing elves which no amount of fend will prevent.
A better plan is to avoid leaving your players touching base as that is not the best way to get elves to perform. Leave them just a blitz every turn where possible will be much more effective than a stack of unecessary skills.
Posted by Timetis on 2015-10-31 15:15:47
I was in the middle of writing a bit about the cruel life of linelfs, then realized I made a classic error; I started answering a question where there was none.
What was the point you were making? Screening off important players is common BB play, its what linemen are for.
What was the point you were making? Screening off important players is common BB play, its what linemen are for.
Posted by MattDakka on 2015-10-31 15:16:25
Show us your Pro Elves in Black Box please.
Posted by tmoila on 2015-10-31 15:30:29
1) Blodge first combo any elf gets - doubles and stats might delay this
2) Don't mark (c)pomb players - unless it's absolutely necessary
3) Feel free to mark non-tackle players with your blodge players - unless they have (c)pomb
4) One elf to mark them all - sidestep makes marking so much more fun
5) Don't be afraid to take hits - unless all hope is lost, then feel free to run away or stay down
2) Don't mark (c)pomb players - unless it's absolutely necessary
3) Feel free to mark non-tackle players with your blodge players - unless they have (c)pomb
4) One elf to mark them all - sidestep makes marking so much more fun
5) Don't be afraid to take hits - unless all hope is lost, then feel free to run away or stay down
Posted by pythrr on 2015-10-31 15:39:56
new guy picks games in R
new guy generalizes about EVERYONE else after a few games
zzzzzzzzz
new guy generalizes about EVERYONE else after a few games
zzzzzzzzz
Posted by pythrr on 2015-10-31 15:42:01
evidence for the above:
"Most of the players play Nurgle, Chaos Pact and Khemri "
Um, no. Really really no.
"Most of the players play Nurgle, Chaos Pact and Khemri "
Um, no. Really really no.
Posted by BillBrasky on 2015-10-31 20:30:04
You've taken a lot of heat for good reason.
Before you begin teaching people who have played thousands of games, I'd suggest you get your feet wet in Blackbox, where you don't get to choose to play vs poor coaches, or easy teams.
Also, the advice about generalizing after such limited time here is a bit high-and-mighty.
Also, everyone who has played elves more than twice knows how to mark & screen which is the advice you are suggesting.
I apologize for all of the negative commentary, but to add a little perspective, you are like the new guy on the job, telling the 30 year veteran how to hammer a nail.
Before you begin teaching people who have played thousands of games, I'd suggest you get your feet wet in Blackbox, where you don't get to choose to play vs poor coaches, or easy teams.
Also, the advice about generalizing after such limited time here is a bit high-and-mighty.
Also, everyone who has played elves more than twice knows how to mark & screen which is the advice you are suggesting.
I apologize for all of the negative commentary, but to add a little perspective, you are like the new guy on the job, telling the 30 year veteran how to hammer a nail.
Posted by cactuskiller on 2015-10-31 21:10:52
I don't want to waste the opportunity to say hello to everyone and thanks for the suggestions I want to stay here for years so no worries about the heat.
Best
Cactus
Best
Cactus
Posted by harvestmouse on 2015-10-31 21:37:45
Cool response. All the best to you too.
Posted by Gozer_the_Gozerian on 2015-11-28 18:04:31
Wait, I use LESS valuable players to protect my stars? You just blew my mind cactuslicker.