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2011-12-20 12:50:41
52 votes, rating 4.9
52 votes, rating 4.9
Can I decide what style I should play? or admins must show me?
Today I played blackbox game with my norses http://www.fumbbl.com/FUMBBL.php?page=match&id=3236576. I was atatcking and during first half made 6 ko for the oponent‘s players. It as my 8‘th turn and I decided not to score, so that my oponent would roll less KO rolls on his missing players. It was tactical decision, because it gave me 50% more chances that opponent’s players will stay off the pitch. And he still had players to one turn score.
My opponent has reported this to admins as violating some fumbbl rules. And admin <redacted> if i remember correct banned my team.
Now do all of you think that it is normal? Can’t I take such tactical decisions for my own risk? Or shoul adminst decide for all of us how we must play?
edit: btw, kinderis, if you're going to publicly slag admins for looking into issues...perhaps you had better get the correct admin...i had nothing to do with this... --46x2
edit 2:
harvestmouse
Replies don't seem to be showing, so I'll put it in an edit.
A few correct facts.
1. You were not reported by your opponent. Maybe you should send him an apology.
2. The admin in quesiton is me. I found it via the match report.
3. Also incorrect (which I already pointed out to Kinderis) is neither he or his team have been banned. I personally think a rule has been broken, and I have reported it to the other admins, where it will be reviewed and I'll go with the majority (this is happening now).
4. Is this a valid tactic? I think the final score tells the story. Would you give up a probable half time lead, for your opponent to get 1.5 player back? Personally I don't think this is valid, particularly when kicking in the 2nd.
5. WALGIS, you give so much to the community. Give that little extra and report me as being unfit to admin, as you see it. :)
Honestly, some of you witch hunters are a total joke. You catch a witch? Then what? All those little jobs you all need doing, take longer to get done, leading to more complaining. I suggest you spend your time more constructively. A Professional Knitting Circle perhaps?
My opponent has reported this to admins as violating some fumbbl rules. And admin <redacted> if i remember correct banned my team.
Now do all of you think that it is normal? Can’t I take such tactical decisions for my own risk? Or shoul adminst decide for all of us how we must play?
edit: btw, kinderis, if you're going to publicly slag admins for looking into issues...perhaps you had better get the correct admin...i had nothing to do with this... --46x2
edit 2:
harvestmouse
Replies don't seem to be showing, so I'll put it in an edit.
A few correct facts.
1. You were not reported by your opponent. Maybe you should send him an apology.
2. The admin in quesiton is me. I found it via the match report.
3. Also incorrect (which I already pointed out to Kinderis) is neither he or his team have been banned. I personally think a rule has been broken, and I have reported it to the other admins, where it will be reviewed and I'll go with the majority (this is happening now).
4. Is this a valid tactic? I think the final score tells the story. Would you give up a probable half time lead, for your opponent to get 1.5 player back? Personally I don't think this is valid, particularly when kicking in the 2nd.
5. WALGIS, you give so much to the community. Give that little extra and report me as being unfit to admin, as you see it. :)
Honestly, some of you witch hunters are a total joke. You catch a witch? Then what? All those little jobs you all need doing, take longer to get done, leading to more complaining. I suggest you spend your time more constructively. A Professional Knitting Circle perhaps?
Comments
Posted by NSKawa on 2011-12-20 12:53:14
what the heck is that? since when admins has right to froce some kind of playstyle for coach ? is he gone crazy or what ?
Posted by lukoshiukas on 2011-12-20 12:54:23
we had the same situation in Soviet Union. offiacialy we lived in free country, but all decisions for you were made by the people who had power.. sad about this :(
Posted by Overhamsteren on 2011-12-20 12:54:39
Funny the same thing happened in a big Majors match a few months back, unfortunately I can't remember the team names but pretty sure no one got banned. :D
Posted by Pjovejas on 2011-12-20 12:55:41
Strange... I guess it was against doclystria: http://www.fumbbl.com/FUMBBL.php?page=coachinfo&coach=133227 ?
I wonder, how he managed to get his 60% win rating... Can it be that most of this victories were with whinning and such help from admins? :)
I wonder, how he managed to get his 60% win rating... Can it be that most of this victories were with whinning and such help from admins? :)
Posted by BlizzBirne on 2011-12-20 12:56:57
whether the tactical in-game decision makes sense or not i don't want to get into ... but being sentenced by the admins only makes sense to me if what was done can be interpreted as an abuse of whatever sorts. i do though fail to see how this can be "abusive" really, i.e. how a coach receives an unintended advantage by doing so.
all given that the presented story is correct - which i naturally don't have any proof for.
all given that the presented story is correct - which i naturally don't have any proof for.
Posted by lukoshiukas on 2011-12-20 13:01:23
i just watched a reply. it was no abuse at all, just a tactical decision by Kinderis. how the heck it can be wrong?
Posted by NSKawa on 2011-12-20 13:02:26
Well its simple fumbbl site should keep logs what was banned and when unbanned and by whom was that done, and its simple to check that. But still its not my oponnent or admins business if i do score or not in game, and if i do foul each turn or not... there r a lot strange teams in fumbbl but none of them gets banned for they gameplay. its freakin same as to ban team for making foul each turn or t16 foul
Posted by baubz on 2011-12-20 13:02:39
It could be seen as abusive play only in some weird situation in half 2 turn 8.
But pardon me, i fail to see how it was abusive in this particular game. This looks like pretty valid tactics to me. i.e. not allowing to roll on opponents KO's twice is pretty good decision. IMO.
But pardon me, i fail to see how it was abusive in this particular game. This looks like pretty valid tactics to me. i.e. not allowing to roll on opponents KO's twice is pretty good decision. IMO.
Posted by MiBasse on 2011-12-20 13:03:11
BlizzBirne. The rules you sign up for say you have to play competetively (or something to that extent). While I have considered doing what the original poster did myself and don't think it warrants sanctioning, it can look suspicious. In general I'm sort of on the fence about the rule. I want people to play competetively, but plenty of people play for cas or have some sort of gimmick team that has a snowball's chance in hell of winning, and I don't think either of those warrant reporting, so in extension I can not see the way you play as warranting reporting either - I think the lines are too arbitrary, but the lines are there, and it's not only abuse that are in the FUMBBL rules.
Posted by Fuel on 2011-12-20 13:06:25
/boo /hiss
Admins? What the hell?
Really have nothing to say... Ban the admin who did this?
Admins? What the hell?
Really have nothing to say... Ban the admin who did this?
Posted by vaclav on 2011-12-20 13:09:15
Lets go to admin house to explain him the rulez, and bring torches and pitchforks!
Posted by Fuel on 2011-12-20 13:11:38
ffoley did you even read the story or looked the replay? guess not.
Posted by JimmyFantastic on 2011-12-20 13:13:24
The action taken by the admin here is ridiculous, disgusting, pathetic and sadly, unsurprising.
Posted by BooAhl on 2011-12-20 13:15:16
I have done that myself, way back. Weird to get banned for it.
Posted by Fuel on 2011-12-20 13:16:07
Why they dont ban claw pombers when they even say on in game chat that they dont care about the ball and dont pick it up for he could only bash with all players? thats even worse but thats considered tactical and not scoring that oponent would get nore ko rolls is not... lulz
Posted by baubz on 2011-12-20 13:16:52
/me grabs pitchfork and rulez printout.
vaclav, where's mob?
vaclav, where's mob?
Posted by koadah on 2011-12-20 13:24:32
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_rX0DO9cng-M/Scuj5Bi5WhI/AAAAAAAAFfo/5hQ3aGsOEoo/s640/simpsons_angry_mob.png
Posted by Purplegoo on 2011-12-20 13:25:12
Seems odd at first glance. Although, I would remind those enraged that we only have one side of the story here. Nonetheless, my head is scratched.
Posted by Purplegoo on 2011-12-20 13:25:40
Oh, and, language.
Posted by NSKawa on 2011-12-20 13:26:59
For ppl who says thats one sided story, plz watch replay of game, and try to find what was against rules, and then press link on that team, its banned
Posted by JimmyFantastic on 2011-12-20 13:33:15
Even warning someone for doing this is lame in the extreme but a ban is utterly incomprehensible.
I've thought about doing this a few times with Griefers vs. Clawpomb when not only are you stopping KO rolls but also saving 3 guys from having a 58% chance of leaving the pitch.
Thank god I didn't with this bollocks going on.
I've thought about doing this a few times with Griefers vs. Clawpomb when not only are you stopping KO rolls but also saving 3 guys from having a 58% chance of leaving the pitch.
Thank god I didn't with this bollocks going on.
Posted by Fuel on 2011-12-20 13:33:32
Oh and notice for fumbbl owners, Dont upgrade member to admins if they think that potato is a number.
http://edge.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/870750/80946058.jpg
http://edge.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/870750/80946058.jpg
Posted by maysrill on 2011-12-20 13:37:43
@BooAhl - I can only recall having done it a handful of times, but I've done it too.
Facing a decent OTT team with a TON of KOs, it can be pretty tempting to see if you can take it to the second half scoreless with a huge player advantage. I don't know all the facts of this case, but as presented it seems like a valid tactic.
Facing a decent OTT team with a TON of KOs, it can be pretty tempting to see if you can take it to the second half scoreless with a huge player advantage. I don't know all the facts of this case, but as presented it seems like a valid tactic.
Posted by jarvis_pants on 2011-12-20 13:41:59
Saw this match earlier today and thought it a little strange. Watched the replay and the norse did look to be playing competitively. I would have gone for the td but i think thats the coaches choice in this game it failed he will have learnt from that and probably wont do it again.
Lesson learnt from this in future if you get called up on such accusations just say that you miss read the clock and were going for another turn of stall. Heard that one many times.
Lesson learnt from this in future if you get called up on such accusations just say that you miss read the clock and were going for another turn of stall. Heard that one many times.
Posted by Pjovejas on 2011-12-20 13:49:51
yes, the lesson learned: don't be honest, lie about your tactics :)
Posted by koadah on 2011-12-20 14:00:57
Ah right. You have to say it was a misclick. Got it.
Posted by clarkin on 2011-12-20 14:16:36
Eh, totally valid tactic IMO
Posted by the_Sage on 2011-12-20 14:28:16
Sounds like a valid decision from a certain standpoint, which is good enough for me. Banning without discussion seems over the top. A quick lift of the ban and apology would seem to be in order?
I realize the admins are doing us a big favor by spending their time as they do, but it's also easier to retain the respect of the userbase if you're seen to respond graciously to your own mistakes.
I realize the admins are doing us a big favor by spending their time as they do, but it's also easier to retain the respect of the userbase if you're seen to respond graciously to your own mistakes.
Posted by RandomOracle on 2011-12-20 14:46:24
The admins don't really seem to think they're capable of making mistakes. If their past behavior continues, they'll probably ban kinderis and close any further discussion related to this incident or the related rule.
Posted by Overhamsteren on 2011-12-20 15:03:45
Look at this uncompetitive chump ;D
https://fumbbl.com/FUMBBL.php?page=match&op=view&id=3144826
https://fumbbl.com/FUMBBL.php?page=match&op=view&id=3144826
Posted by Purplegoo on 2011-12-20 15:05:05
Im not an admin, so I don't know, and I agree on first glance this looks awful; but Id repeat, let's await some official word. Shadow has always been a bit harsh, but never in my view unfair. Id bet there is something here we're yet to find out. Don't be so quick to condemn!
Posted by pythrr on 2011-12-20 15:08:10
not scoring?
are you mad?
you deserve to be nuffle molested with a 6 foot pole!
are you mad?
you deserve to be nuffle molested with a 6 foot pole!
Posted by Skolopender on 2011-12-20 15:10:09
"Insert Transformers reference here"
Just wait it out...
Just wait it out...
Posted by pythrr on 2011-12-20 15:11:25
also, I would assume there is more to this story than meets the eye
shadow is not mad.
shadow is not mad.
Posted by Skolopender on 2011-12-20 15:12:20
1pt for pythrr for the reference. KUDOS!
Posted by Pjovejas on 2011-12-20 15:13:04
Look what oposing coach has commented about this match (if not erased yet): it only mentions the fact of not scoring. Not a single word about bad behaviour, insults or something else similar...
Posted by Gromrilram on 2011-12-20 15:21:16
is he gone crazy or what ?
we had the same situation in Soviet Union.
Ban the admin who did this?
The action taken by the admin here is ridiculous, disgusting, pathetic and sadly, unsurprising.
This is total moron bullshit.
Shadow, get a brain, a tool, something...
The admins don't really seem to think they're capable of making mistakes.
Admin gone mad.
this is what we have to say about someone posting... we dont wait for the other side to comment, we simply burn the witch. i am in no way saying what is right or wrong about the tactics - but the reaction displayed here is sad.
we had the same situation in Soviet Union.
Ban the admin who did this?
The action taken by the admin here is ridiculous, disgusting, pathetic and sadly, unsurprising.
This is total moron bullshit.
Shadow, get a brain, a tool, something...
The admins don't really seem to think they're capable of making mistakes.
Admin gone mad.
this is what we have to say about someone posting... we dont wait for the other side to comment, we simply burn the witch. i am in no way saying what is right or wrong about the tactics - but the reaction displayed here is sad.
Posted by pythrr on 2011-12-20 15:25:51
thx Skolo
I am win!
/transforms into thread car-hijacker
I am win!
/transforms into thread car-hijacker
Posted by baubz on 2011-12-20 15:25:52
@Gromrilram:
that only shows how people are frustrated of such decision made by admin.
that only shows how people are frustrated of such decision made by admin.
Posted by pythrr on 2011-12-20 15:26:39
lol, nice summary Grom
:)
:)
Posted by Qaz on 2011-12-20 15:31:29
How about thinking a little before you guys light the torch. The team is not banned it is just LOCKED. What this could mean is that there is an ongoing investigation. That some one is looking into what happened. Or that some one is waiting for a second opinion or what ever. It could mean that the admin is waiting to get a chance to talk to the coaches. There are so many things that this could mean. but a locked team is not a retired team its is not a disciplined team.
So its not sure that you will be disciplined at all. But I cant see how a blog post assembling a mob with torches will help your case mate.
Now if guys would just think before they burn.
So its not sure that you will be disciplined at all. But I cant see how a blog post assembling a mob with torches will help your case mate.
Now if guys would just think before they burn.
Posted by baubz on 2011-12-20 15:42:19
It will draw attention, that's not necessary a bad thing.
BTW, instead of burning we could use pitchforks ;)
BTW, instead of burning we could use pitchforks ;)
Posted by Woodstock on 2011-12-20 15:46:10
Useless blog, if you have issues with an security officer or his decision, contact one of administrators.
Going public is never the solution as it turns into a witch hunt and whine fest...
Going public is never the solution as it turns into a witch hunt and whine fest...
Posted by pythrr on 2011-12-20 15:50:31
indeed.
bad bloggers. bad.
bad bloggers. bad.
Posted by JanMattys on 2011-12-20 15:50:44
"FLAMES FOR THE FORUM GOD!"
"THE DARK FIRE WILL NOT AVAIL YOU, FLAME OF UDUN. GO BACK TO THE SHADOW!"
...and so on, and so forth...
"THE DARK FIRE WILL NOT AVAIL YOU, FLAME OF UDUN. GO BACK TO THE SHADOW!"
...and so on, and so forth...
Posted by shadow46x2 on 2011-12-20 15:54:39
um...
you guys do realize, that i was asleep when this happened?....
so yeah, i didn't ban anyone....do not think for one second that i was a part of this...
you guys do realize, that i was asleep when this happened?....
so yeah, i didn't ban anyone....do not think for one second that i was a part of this...
Posted by PainState on 2011-12-20 15:58:33
Well Grom the mob is in a fever pitch not soley because of this specific incident. But a culmination of many events over the last few months. It seems the mob has decided to fixate over this one and is preparing to storm the castle.
Now, lets hear the other side? Which side, the admin side or the other players side?
Does it matter? The mob does not care.
So on the way to the castle stop by my place. I just found 2 cases of road flairs for your party. Also I dont have a pitch forks but I have a scythe, it is cumbersome but looks more formidable than a pitch fork anyway. I will dontate these to the storming party.....What are you crazy? Iam not coming along, I have to finish a match of Blood Bowl, finish a load of laundry and then put the final stitches in a quilt Iam making..So have fun and tell me how it all worked out for you.
On a side note related but not related to the topic at hand but covers a broader more important issue that is related specifically to FUMBBL and kinda of aimed at the admins which in turn goes back to Christers genius.
When Christer allowed blogs on the site I was,meh, on the subject. But now I see what a vital role it plays on this site.
The Blogs are perfect for coaches to vent their rage. At anything and everything. Blogs should be a place where a coach can scream and yell and kick the dirt and throw rocks and pull out his hair.
This is good for the site. It allows coaches to vent in a forum that a small % of coaches ever see, minus us blog trolls, it goes away and will never resurface. We do not want this type of stuff in Forums. Forums are more permanat and get a lot more coverage which in turns causes a lot more agitation amongest the peasentry.
To the admins: let coaches scream to the heavens. Ignore them, do not even post a comment in the blogs. Make like it never happened.
To the coaches: Rage on brothers...you fellow coaches will buy you a round of beer. Cry in it with you. Get it off your chest, yeah that is good, let it all out.
To the Community as a wholle: this is good, dont worry about it. We will all be back tommorow having fun playing Blood Bowl and this issue is a non issue in the big pitcture...I know, BUT BUT, yes I agree...now take another pull from your drink. let it out.
To Christer: Thanks for allowing us to vent and rage in blogs. It keeps the fourms clear. Allows a lot of coaches to pass the time at work ranting about this or that.
To the off topic forum: Iam sorry that your role on the site as been reduced to nothing. I feel for you, but you were just a CAS of progress my man..now back in the unemployment line off topic fourm.
Now, lets hear the other side? Which side, the admin side or the other players side?
Does it matter? The mob does not care.
So on the way to the castle stop by my place. I just found 2 cases of road flairs for your party. Also I dont have a pitch forks but I have a scythe, it is cumbersome but looks more formidable than a pitch fork anyway. I will dontate these to the storming party.....What are you crazy? Iam not coming along, I have to finish a match of Blood Bowl, finish a load of laundry and then put the final stitches in a quilt Iam making..So have fun and tell me how it all worked out for you.
On a side note related but not related to the topic at hand but covers a broader more important issue that is related specifically to FUMBBL and kinda of aimed at the admins which in turn goes back to Christers genius.
When Christer allowed blogs on the site I was,meh, on the subject. But now I see what a vital role it plays on this site.
The Blogs are perfect for coaches to vent their rage. At anything and everything. Blogs should be a place where a coach can scream and yell and kick the dirt and throw rocks and pull out his hair.
This is good for the site. It allows coaches to vent in a forum that a small % of coaches ever see, minus us blog trolls, it goes away and will never resurface. We do not want this type of stuff in Forums. Forums are more permanat and get a lot more coverage which in turns causes a lot more agitation amongest the peasentry.
To the admins: let coaches scream to the heavens. Ignore them, do not even post a comment in the blogs. Make like it never happened.
To the coaches: Rage on brothers...you fellow coaches will buy you a round of beer. Cry in it with you. Get it off your chest, yeah that is good, let it all out.
To the Community as a wholle: this is good, dont worry about it. We will all be back tommorow having fun playing Blood Bowl and this issue is a non issue in the big pitcture...I know, BUT BUT, yes I agree...now take another pull from your drink. let it out.
To Christer: Thanks for allowing us to vent and rage in blogs. It keeps the fourms clear. Allows a lot of coaches to pass the time at work ranting about this or that.
To the off topic forum: Iam sorry that your role on the site as been reduced to nothing. I feel for you, but you were just a CAS of progress my man..now back in the unemployment line off topic fourm.
Posted by BillBrasky on 2011-12-20 15:58:54
o.O Shadow is retarded...but its lame to blame him, if he didn't do this!!!!
Posted by pythrr on 2011-12-20 16:02:17
this gets better and better
newspaper headlines
POWER-CRAZED SHADOW ASLEEP AT THE WHEEL!
SLEEP-WALKING ADMIN GOES WILD IN BAN HAMMER MADNESS!
newspaper headlines
POWER-CRAZED SHADOW ASLEEP AT THE WHEEL!
SLEEP-WALKING ADMIN GOES WILD IN BAN HAMMER MADNESS!
Posted by koadah on 2011-12-20 16:03:25
It's a much better story when Shadow46x2 is to blame.
Changing it just ruins everyone's fun.
@Shadow46x2 Party pooper.
Changing it just ruins everyone's fun.
@Shadow46x2 Party pooper.
Posted by koadah on 2011-12-20 16:04:06
It's a much better story when Shadow46x2 is to blame.
Changing it just ruins everyone's fun.
@Shadow46x2 Party pooper.
Changing it just ruins everyone's fun.
@Shadow46x2 Party pooper.
Posted by koadah on 2011-12-20 16:04:39
It's a much better story when Shadow46x2 is to blame.
Changing it just ruins everyone's fun.
@Shadow46x2 Party pooper.
Changing it just ruins everyone's fun.
@Shadow46x2 Party pooper.
Posted by Skolopender on 2011-12-20 16:06:58
So mob... How do you think this little witch hunt is going now?
Posted by Skolopender on 2011-12-20 16:07:57
So mob... How do you think your little witch hunt is going now?
Posted by shadow46x2 on 2011-12-20 16:11:19
pythrr...apparently i'm also having 20 minute conversations in my sleep as well...funny how that works out...
Posted by BooAhl on 2011-12-20 16:11:24
Buying a new computer: 1000$
Buying Alkohol: 20$
Playing your favorite game when drunk: 1h (10$ minium wage?)
Writing an flameing Blog: 2h (atleast)
Nameing the wrong admin, especially blamming FShadow: PRICELESS
Rated 6 for a FAELed Blog with 50+ comments!!
Buying Alkohol: 20$
Playing your favorite game when drunk: 1h (10$ minium wage?)
Writing an flameing Blog: 2h (atleast)
Nameing the wrong admin, especially blamming FShadow: PRICELESS
Rated 6 for a FAELed Blog with 50+ comments!!
Posted by Skolopender on 2011-12-20 16:11:28
So mob... How do you feel your little witch hunt is going now?
Posted by shadow46x2 on 2011-12-20 16:13:17
yeah, pythrr, apparently i'm having 20 minute conversations in my sleep as well...
Posted by Purplegoo on 2011-12-20 16:26:47
Isn't this good fun?
Perhaps it will serve as a lesson to those so fast to criticise? Although, that's probably expecting too much. ;)
Qaz likely has the truth of it. Erroneous report awaiting admin fix. I could report any team now and leave them in the same state. Less good story, mind.
Perhaps it will serve as a lesson to those so fast to criticise? Although, that's probably expecting too much. ;)
Qaz likely has the truth of it. Erroneous report awaiting admin fix. I could report any team now and leave them in the same state. Less good story, mind.
Posted by Gromrilram on 2011-12-20 16:28:52
i wanted to write a new blog about an issue that bothered me... here is shadows response:
<FatherShadow> so tempted to just perma-ban you
<FatherShadow> >:(
<FatherShadow> so tempted to just perma-ban you
<FatherShadow> >:(
Posted by Wreckage on 2011-12-20 17:09:45
Kinderlis would you be so kind and give us an update on what the admins told you now?
Posted by Wreckage on 2011-12-20 17:24:52
Kinderis could you be so kind to give us an update on what the admins decided now?
Posted by awambawamb on 2011-12-20 18:50:28
Well, who retired the team is clear... strange, because HM has always been more or less righteous in his volounteer admin job. Sorry, I disagree. That was a tactical choice (a choice that I would NEVER do, but it's ME), not a game abuse.
Posted by awambawamb on 2011-12-20 18:51:01
123 try
Posted by Corvidius on 2011-12-20 19:11:53
Pretty much every admin rage i've seen (and bear in mind i like to vent now and again as well) has been cleared up and explained to a (at least in my eyes) satisfacory degree. The Admins are just doing their (unpaid) job. Don't get me wrong, if anyone is being a douche to you they are a douche but if their just following a common procedure (lock team while investigating) then chill and give it a chance to resolve itself.
Posted by Marcellus on 2011-12-20 19:41:57
Painstate = +1
Posted by the_Sage on 2011-12-20 19:49:33
So wait, do we now torch ALL the other admins until one confesses?
Since Overhamsteren has effectively publicly criticized this particular admin decision, I guess he's off the hook?
I heard Woodstock lives in Delft, I could swing by there with a toolbox and a lot of imagination...
Since Overhamsteren has effectively publicly criticized this particular admin decision, I guess he's off the hook?
I heard Woodstock lives in Delft, I could swing by there with a toolbox and a lot of imagination...
Posted by Malmir on 2011-12-20 19:55:36
Looks like a valid tactic to me - I remember doing something similar once a while ago. It is competitive play because he is doing it to try and increase his chances of winning the game. I think the admins on this site have more than enough sense to realise this and it would be nice if people waited for the decision which will hopefully come with an explanation.
Posted by pythrr on 2011-12-20 20:56:28
i can't read past 60 comments....
Posted by Garion on 2011-12-20 21:01:29
Lol I love you pythrr :D
Also yeah what Qaz says.
Also yeah what Qaz says.
Posted by harvestmouse on 2011-12-20 21:03:25
A few correct facts.
1. You were not reported by your opponent. Maybe you should send him an apology.
2. The admin in quesiton is me. I found it via the match report.
3. Also incorrect (which I already pointed out to Kinderis) is neither he or his team have been banned. I personally think a rule has been broken, and I have reported it to the other admins, where it will be reviewed and I'll go with the majority (this is happening now).
4. Is this a valid tactic? I think the final score tells the story. Would you give up a probable half time lead, for your opponent to get 1.5 player back? Personally I don't think this is valid, particularly when kicking in the 2nd.
5. WALGIS, you give so much to the community. Give that little extra and report me as being unfit to admin, as you see it. :)
Honestly, some of you witch hunters are a total joke. You catch a witch? Then what? All those little jobs you all need doing, take longer to get done, leading to more complaining. I suggest you spend your time more constructively. A Professional Knitting Circle perhaps?
1. You were not reported by your opponent. Maybe you should send him an apology.
2. The admin in quesiton is me. I found it via the match report.
3. Also incorrect (which I already pointed out to Kinderis) is neither he or his team have been banned. I personally think a rule has been broken, and I have reported it to the other admins, where it will be reviewed and I'll go with the majority (this is happening now).
4. Is this a valid tactic? I think the final score tells the story. Would you give up a probable half time lead, for your opponent to get 1.5 player back? Personally I don't think this is valid, particularly when kicking in the 2nd.
5. WALGIS, you give so much to the community. Give that little extra and report me as being unfit to admin, as you see it. :)
Honestly, some of you witch hunters are a total joke. You catch a witch? Then what? All those little jobs you all need doing, take longer to get done, leading to more complaining. I suggest you spend your time more constructively. A Professional Knitting Circle perhaps?
Posted by the_Sage on 2011-12-20 21:13:09
What? No more room for comments? Rage!
Posted by Keith-Lemon on 2011-12-20 21:42:15
admins strike again
Posted by licker on 2011-12-20 21:48:23
agrees with pytherr (about some of this)
No comment on the admin decision.
but...
How is it better to be 0-0 at half rather than 1-1?
Right, you want to limit KO rolls, but he had a babe anyway, and the odds of a successful one turn are what anyway?
Odds were better that you'd still have been 1-0, and no matter if he gets all his KOs back, you then get to play the 2nd half up by 1. I'd take this in every case. It's not as though many games see more than 3 TDs scored anyway, not taking one when you can get it just... just not a good decision.
Should you be allowed to make that decision though? Sure, just like people should be stupidly allowed to play with 11 JM if they really want to. It only hurts your own chances.
No comment on the admin decision.
but...
How is it better to be 0-0 at half rather than 1-1?
Right, you want to limit KO rolls, but he had a babe anyway, and the odds of a successful one turn are what anyway?
Odds were better that you'd still have been 1-0, and no matter if he gets all his KOs back, you then get to play the 2nd half up by 1. I'd take this in every case. It's not as though many games see more than 3 TDs scored anyway, not taking one when you can get it just... just not a good decision.
Should you be allowed to make that decision though? Sure, just like people should be stupidly allowed to play with 11 JM if they really want to. It only hurts your own chances.
Posted by licker on 2011-12-20 21:48:57
agrees with pytherr (about some of this)
No comment on the admin decision.
but...
How is it better to be 0-0 at half rather than 1-1?
Right, you want to limit KO rolls, but he had a babe anyway, and the odds of a successful one turn are what anyway?
Odds were better that you'd still have been 1-0, and no matter if he gets all his KOs back, you then get to play the 2nd half up by 1. I'd take this in every case. It's not as though many games see more than 3 TDs scored anyway, not taking one when you can get it just... just not a good decision.
Should you be allowed to make that decision though? Sure, just like people should be stupidly allowed to play with 11 JM if they really want to. It only hurts your own chances.
No comment on the admin decision.
but...
How is it better to be 0-0 at half rather than 1-1?
Right, you want to limit KO rolls, but he had a babe anyway, and the odds of a successful one turn are what anyway?
Odds were better that you'd still have been 1-0, and no matter if he gets all his KOs back, you then get to play the 2nd half up by 1. I'd take this in every case. It's not as though many games see more than 3 TDs scored anyway, not taking one when you can get it just... just not a good decision.
Should you be allowed to make that decision though? Sure, just like people should be stupidly allowed to play with 11 JM if they really want to. It only hurts your own chances.
Posted by awambawamb on 2011-12-21 01:55:42
can i comment?