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Match Result · Ranked division
Match recorded on 2006-02-07 22:45:00
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CTV 1850k Wood Elf
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So the connection was lost for some reason from the server without any disruption in service so I reload the match for my opponent to join. After I run the ball carrier down the sideline, complains that he can't use a blitz on one of his turn so i try to sync to get his blitz back. Brings the magical ghost ball. I score but am not awarded TD. So I get a lineman to go pick up the magical ghost ball to throw it. Instead the liner drops the ball. My opponent uses the opportunity to pound on my players, take the ghost ball, and score. Game over. I concede.

RE: game comments

"I didn't drop, I didn't make you drop, I'm not responsible for the fake ball."

A) Never said that you did drop or caused me to drop. Never hinted at that.

B) I asked before we resumed if there were multiple balls showing on the pitch. Answer: no. A second ball appeared after I synced to opponent when a concern was issued over a missing blitz....

"I clearly would have blitzed you that turn if I was physically able (i complained about the problem before I'd moved more than two of my players).

A) See above. Several of the opponent's players took their actions. Not two or less. The opposing manager continued to play through his turn without requesting an accommodation.

"I think a blitz at that stage with a buzzed player could well have effected your chances of scoring in the next two turns."

A) The score would have occurred a turn later in the half giving less time for the opponent to score in kind. The opponent at no point was in position to target the ball carrier.

"This was when we realized the other ball was the 'real' ball. You didn't communicate with me just went for the score but fell over."

A) I suppose, in theory, it is possible to not see the large ball on the field and the player with the ball at the same time when specifically asked the question.

B) 'The real' ball was in the hands of the player who I assigned to hold the ball to after the touchback. The player never blocked, blitzed, was blocked or blitzed, or fell over. The assertion by the opponent that the second ball was the 'real ball' is a false statement. I'll leave it up to the reader to conclude as to why this assertion has been made by the opponent.

"I then suggested letting you run down a sideline."

A) A comment was issued by the opponent interpreted as a sarcastic comment inquiring as to why my players ran up the sideline on the previous drive.

"By scoring there and then I kept the score heading towards what It probably would be at the end of that half i.e. 2-1 to me."

A) My opponent makes an assumption. I'll leave it up to the reader to conclude as to why this assertion has been made by the opponent.

"You conceded without even trying to discuss the situation with me and that is the point I deplore the most. You are happy to discuss this situation here but not in game where it could have been resolved."

A) All things being equal it is likely that the outcome would differ if the aforementioned events had not occurred in the game. I was deprived of a legitimate score in return for the loss of a player for the match and another score against. There was no reason to continue. I terminated play at the first opportunity rather than using anymore of my opponent's time.

ON AND ON:

The opposing manager believes it necessary to attack me personally. Stating that I am bitter and that I have stated or implied that he or she is a hacker. I am not bitter and I have not stated or implied that the opposing manager is a hacker. The opposing manager states my connection was at fault for the disconnection. Apparently the opposing manager either had not read the previous post or has ignored its content.

I am not interested in a "rematch".

The opposing manager attempts to justify actions taken by stating it would have been very unlikely that my team would have scored in the half and very likely the other manager's team would have. I disagree.

The opposing manager dismisses the casualty caused after taking the mystery ball from the fumbling lineman while elevating the damage to my team caused by the KO of another player caused prior to the events in question. I find this logic...interesting.

The opposing manager makes some additional assertions about the phantom ball used to score the second touchdown. Including one incorrect statement: "SO clearly the ball neither of us went for is the REAL ball by virtue of the java program."

I have stated all there is to know about this previously in this post. I don't know why this assertion is made by the opposing manager. I'll leave it to the reader to determine why.

I would like to reiterate that from my original statement to my response and follow-up to comments placed by the opposing manager I have never made statements attacking him or her personally.

I intend that this will be the last time I comment on this matter.

THIS IS SO FUNNY I CAN'T PASS ON IT.

:P

1st quote "If you still feel bitter about this I'll rematch you..."

Then quote " didn't call you bitter at any point."

Then quote "...How that can possibly be termed me turning personal I don't understand."

What? Heh? LOL

So many incongruous comments so little interest by me.
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I didn't drop, I didn't make you drop, I'm not responsible for the fake ball.

I clearly would have blitzed you that turn if I was physically able (i complained about the problem before I'd moved more than two of my players).
You didn't offer to sit around for a turn to allow me to hit you/work out why the blitz didn't work. And even with the sync I was still unable to blitz (i'd already tried syncing myself).
I think a blitz at that stage with a buzzed player could well have effected your chances of scoring in the next two turns.
You then moved a bit into a better defended position I tired a blitz again and blocked you in slightly but you were able to escape and try and score.
This was when we realised the other ball was the 'real' ball. You didn't communicate with me just went for the score but fell over.
You still didn't say anything so I beat you team up picked up the ball and scored.
I then suggested letting you run down a sideline. You said ....
we set up you said .. when it was a touchback then you conceded.
If i had waited for another turn for you to score I would possibly have not been able to get another one in.
By scoring there and then I kept the score heading towards what It probably would be at the end of that half i.e. 2-1 to me.
You conceded without even trying to discuss the situation with me and that is the point I deplore the most. You are happy to discuss this situation here but not in game where it could have been resolved.

RE:RE

Well you certianly seem to be determined to blow this out of proportion.

You seem to think I didn't blitz because I didn't want to or something? No I clearly didn't blitz as I wasn't able as can be seen when my blizter stands up and just sits there.

Working on how easy it was to score previously and the fact I'd just ko'd your star wardancer I think it is very likely I would have scored in that half IF you scored the turn you tired to. This would have left the score at 2-1 to me going into the 2nd half which does not seem unreasonable given the player superiorty I had (even excluding the additional casualty I picked up).

I didn't ask you to do anythign when I couldn't blitz as I couldn't see anything that was reasonable under the circumstances apart from quitting and trying to reload which may or may not half helped.

From the replay it can quite clearly be seen that a blitz with a MB/Buzzing blizter could have had a good chance of removing one of the guys by your catcher as well as putting an additional tackle zone on him (this can be seen by looking at the positions on the replay). Obviously I cannot say for sure what would happen but a 2d blitz against someone with neither block/dodge when I have frenzy and Mb leads me to the conclusion that I could at a minimum stun you.

i make as many assumptions as you do, e.g. you assume that this possible blitz would only 'delay' you by a turn. I don't see that as being necessarily true at all.

You chose to interpret my remark as sarcastic, as the replay doesn't seem to store our words I can't prove to you that it was intended as a reasonable solution (this is infact what happens in football when goals occur in what are considered unethical circumstances).

There's no such thing as a legitmate score in blood bowl.

You could have moved a player through the square with the ball on at any time, you didn't and for some reason seem to think i 'knew' it was the actual ball. I also could haved moved towards it picked it up etc but did not, I went for what I (and you) believed was the ball carrier at all times until you failed to score with what we thought was the ball & failed to gft with your new ball carrier.

I call it the real ball as that's what the java program thought it was -regardless of what we thought. Unless you think I'm an l33t hacker - I clearly have no control over how the java program decides to lcoate the ball after a reload like ours. SO clearly the ball neitherof us went for is the REAL ball by virtue of the java program.
You still don't discuss the fact that you tried to score -failed, didn't talk to me but just went for what we now knew was the ball and tried to score with that. If you'd expected any kind of fair treatment a good time would have been to take a break there and say 'What should we do about this phantom ball'
If you'd asked I would have made you reload it from the start of the turn as of course if you were going to score I'd want it done there & then to enable me to try and retake the lead.

I suggest you get a better connection so this problem does not occur to you in future.

If you still feel bitter about this I'll rematch you whenever then perhaps we can see who actually has the better team & is the better player.


More:
I didn't call you bitter at any point.

Yes I blame your connection as being at fault as you were the player who disconnected.
perhaps you should more clearly read what I have written, all I have said is:
'Unless you think I'm an l33t hacker ' How that can possibly be termed me turning personal I don't understand. I never said you did think i said 'UNLESS' ! I was more stating I could ahve no effect on what the program was doing with the ball.

I think you would have scored then -of course! As I already stated I would expect the score at the end of that half to have been 2-1 to me (it was 1-0 to me when you disconnected). So why you have chosen to take that as me thinking you wouldn't score....?

Clearly you do feel bitter about this match but I don't see how that's a personal attack on you?? All I stated was if you still feel bitter (replace with remorseful/unhappy if you wish ) about that match i'll replay you.

You seem to have taken every opportunity to misrepresent what I've said. It seems fairly obviosu to me that if the program splits that ball (which it did) IT, IT I say 'The program' will treat one of them as the real/actual/material/existant ball -which IS what it did. THAT is the ball I refer to when i say real/actual. I don't care whether or not they started in the same place & should be the same ball for the purposes of stating one is REAL and exists in game terms i.e. can be passed/picked up/thrown and scored with. HOW is this statement FALSE?
You've failed to answer this at all -all you've done is invite the reader to determine why iv'e said this is the 'real' ball. Clearly if i can pick the f*cking thing up the ball then exists. Or do you want a mathematical proof?

No you haven't amde any comments directly attacking me but you have asked the reader to invite themselves to decide on why I have stated something on several occasions. That could easily be taken as an implication that you think what i've said is so stupid/duplictious that a third party will also agree. I'd rather you took my statements apart with logic than saying:
'I'll leave it to the reader to determine why'

If you look at the replay you will note your WD was knocked out the turn I was unbale to blitz. I remarked on this as I was stating with my players/number advantage I would have expected to have scored again but only IF you had scored that turn (to allow me 3 turns to score). If (yes IF) he hadn't come back on my numerical & skill advantage would have been even more pronounced hence I believe I would have easily scored barring mishap. Leaving the expected score at 2-1. You of course failed to score that turn (which was down to the phantom ball issue as we have discussed).


Great go knock yourself out!
I see you keep dodging my actual questions?
And how is describing someones state as unhappy/depressed about the match/ you know bitter!
Which you clearly are unfortunately. Or were at the least.
 
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