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Life is like a blackbox you never know what you're gonna get ... but
I have been reading about the variety of races in the blackbox lately and I thought I'd write a blog about it. I played over 100 blackbox games now and my BWR is a healthy 166.85 even with only BBR of 143.40 (at posting).

mrkevin wrote about the variety of the blackbox:

http://fumbbl.com/FUMBBL.php?page=blog&coach=45942

and he's right ... at least about the distribution of teams in the blackbox:

http://fumbbl.com/FUMBBL.php?page=blackbox

His distribution of opponents doesn't seem out of sync with what you should expect in the box:

http://fumbbl.com/FUMBBL.php?page=coachstats&coach=45942&division=10

and is not really so diifferent %wise to mine:

http://fumbbl.com/FUMBBL.php?page=coachstats&coach=36333&division=10

But it's not like there is no variety in the blackbox:

http://fumbbl.com/FUMBBL.php?page=blackbox

All the races are represented there and let's face it I'm pretty sure there will be a bias of races in ranked, just of a different kind.

mrkevin says it's hard to build a "weak" team and I can see his point. But I'd query his definition of "weak". For me the really weak teams are the ones that get bashed AND find it hard to win.

As long as you're winning you should have a reasonably healthy FF and that means decent winnings, which you can use to replace lost players. And because there is automatic shceduling you will automatically get assigned more appropriate opposition if you got smashed the previous match.

And if the worst comes to the worst, it's not that difficult to start a new team. Although I think part of the challenge of the blackbox for lower AV teams is adapting your tactics so that you can win, survive and, hopefully, thrive.

A valid point is that weaker AV teams find it hard to keep going at higher TR, as the distribution of teams gets worse and the bashers get more deadly.

My first blackbox team was woodies and they started really well but eventually got beaten down and beaten out of shape:

http://fumbbl.com/FUMBBL.php?page=team&op=development&team_id=525780

But playing them has taught me a lot of lessons about how to manage teams in the blackbox. And now that I have more teams, my woodies get more even matchups (previously I only had my woodies in the box and the match up swings were bigger). Athough it has also meant I hardly play them since they are out of shape and don't get scheduled much ;-).

And of course there are examples of sucessfully built "weak" teams </me looks enviously at>:

http://fumbbl.com/FUMBBL.php?page=team&op=view&team_id=507804

but the road is not without pitfalls:

http://fumbbl.com/FUMBBL.php?page=team&op=development&team_id=507804

Another thing you have to consider when you talk about "weak" races in the box is:

http://fumbbl.com/FUMBBL.php?page=blackbox

that the differential between Average BWR for different races is at most 3.74 (at time of posting). Yet Circularlogic's BWR is 172.56 (at posting). So even if he was playing exclusively the best race compared to a coach playing the worst race the average BWR advantage he'd get would take him to a BWR of 153.74.

So you could argue that his superior coaching affords him a wopping BWR swing of 18.82. Over 5 times more than the biggest advantage you get from having the better roster.

Perhaps we should focus less about what teams we get and more about how we should play against them ;-).
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Posted by Chickenbrain on 2009-08-21 08:04:21
First of all its about fun. Thats why i play flings in the box... Not to mention that i have a nice 3-0-0 record with them... Ha, bragging.
Posted by mrkevin on 2009-08-21 08:31:57
I agree with you. My argument was only that it would be fun if more people took the challenge of playing lower BBR teams.
Posted by jarvis_pants on 2009-08-21 09:00:02
Im still of the idea that there should be sum incentive to choosing low av teams. Extra cash each game or better chance of FF. this would mean that even if your team got beat down you would be in a better situation to rebuild.
Posted by MonkyTonky on 2009-08-21 09:31:02
The incentive of playing low av team, is that they should be reletively easier to win with :-) Thus gaining higher FF and more cash :-) And in general there isn't a whole lot of tackle in the box.

Maybe its just a question of having a different approach to teambuilding that is needed?? Maybe trying to keep a low TR, until your players have more skills?
Posted by Calcium on 2009-08-21 10:40:34
I like this blog, it seems balanced compared to most of the low AV crying going on....
Posted by Kuja on 2009-08-21 12:59:05
I don't see how one would want to play AV 7 teams at all if they can't take being crushed occasionaly.

I'm personally playing Pro elves in the bbox *one of the very few active elf teams* and everyone playing this kind of teams should expect player losses often.

It's also very depending on player ability, It's not hard to minimalize the chance of losing players.
Posted by Resarf on 2010-04-11 06:34:51
I am really enjoying having one of each race and activating all of them every round I intend to play. Totally the best BB learning experience for me!!

Only one bad part thus far: being whined at for playing with Khemri, by an Orc coach at that.

I think Box needs a more lively tournament scene, more incentive to do that thing; um you know the one oh I just can't remember what it's called uh it ... um rhymes with gin and tastes almost as good?