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2012-06-30 19:12:24
18 votes, rating 5.3
18 votes, rating 5.3
Legend killer... yet I lost.
Hi again, I'm back with some updates on my Bloodbowl coach career here, some reflections and some questions as well.
My team started growing and I was so happy when I saw that double as I chose a new skill for my lineman: I finally had my first blodger (block and dodge skill).
In the same manner grew my team value and TW as well, and matchmaking started go a bit crazy.
I'm not telling you about all the matches or this would turn into an endless WoT (Wall of Text), I'll just focus on some matches that made me ponder on something.
In one match I was against a Chaos Pact team and, god, they are so strong, so flexible!
If memory doesn't fail me, I killed one of his men but he managed to take out my key players and getting a TD in the first half.
In the second half most of my players that have been KO'ed didn't recover and that turned out something like a 6v11 which meant game over for me.
In the last turn I decided to gather around one of his guys and foul him trying to get an injury, so he told me that injuries on fouls don't give SPPs but I was almost sure that it was the other way.
Anyway, I did foul but nothing came up after, so I investigated on the matter and found that the rules about fouling did change and now they don't give SPP anymore, so the guy was right.
If you're reading this, I offer you my sincerest apologies about that.
In another match I ended up against a Chaos team which downright annihilated my team, taking out my big troll and then one of the wolves.
I fought back getting some of his guys out but without my high-STR men I couldn't do much, I tried a desperate run with my blodger lineman but it was blitzed and fell.
He eventually scored a TD in the first half.
As usual, lady luck wants my KO'ed guys not to get up during the second half and, despite having 3 reserves, I still went something like 8v11 with him bashing my team pretty badly, getting another TD and gg.
Last match I'd like to share with you is against what I think is called a "Min-Maxer" playing Necro.
This guy had a shitload of money, his team TW was something like 5K, still his team was rated 1400ish: my fail-o-meter broke through the ceiling.
When I inspected his team I became demoralized and thought about conceding the match without playing as I saw two legends in the roster and other guys really high on level.
Still, I chose to play and try my best, maybe with some luck I could at least take a draw home.
The game went almost fair, as he risked a lot and I tried to play as solidly as possible, without getting risky in the beginning, but eventually my plan fell to pieces as he smashed some of my guys down and scored in the first half.
Luckily someone got up in the second half and I was ready for some more crazy plays, trying to get a TD but his big guys just said "NO" and one of them killed my wolf but luckily the apo saved the day.
If that sounded good to you then know that the next on the kill list was my lovely blodger who not only died, but also joined my opponent's ranks.
I admit I was a bit mad at it so I did strike back with my guys and guess who fell? One of his two legends. He died by the hand of one of my linemen and I was amazed.
I immediately said sorry about that to my opponent and, while it was absolutely true that a port of me felt pity for the legend, the other part of me almost came on the keyboard (forgive the crudeness).
Yeah, killing a legend definitely feels good.
Obviously he then destroyed the rest of my team and scored a second touchdown, but that's how things goes.
I know there have been other blog posts about min-maxers, but how do you feel about that?
Also, when fouling/killing one of the opponent's team member, do you actually "enjoy" it or do you just feel sorry because you only wanted to take him out from the match?
I hope I have not bored you with this long post, I'm looking forward your impressions!
See you around!
- Luca
My team started growing and I was so happy when I saw that double as I chose a new skill for my lineman: I finally had my first blodger (block and dodge skill).
In the same manner grew my team value and TW as well, and matchmaking started go a bit crazy.
I'm not telling you about all the matches or this would turn into an endless WoT (Wall of Text), I'll just focus on some matches that made me ponder on something.
In one match I was against a Chaos Pact team and, god, they are so strong, so flexible!
If memory doesn't fail me, I killed one of his men but he managed to take out my key players and getting a TD in the first half.
In the second half most of my players that have been KO'ed didn't recover and that turned out something like a 6v11 which meant game over for me.
In the last turn I decided to gather around one of his guys and foul him trying to get an injury, so he told me that injuries on fouls don't give SPPs but I was almost sure that it was the other way.
Anyway, I did foul but nothing came up after, so I investigated on the matter and found that the rules about fouling did change and now they don't give SPP anymore, so the guy was right.
If you're reading this, I offer you my sincerest apologies about that.
In another match I ended up against a Chaos team which downright annihilated my team, taking out my big troll and then one of the wolves.
I fought back getting some of his guys out but without my high-STR men I couldn't do much, I tried a desperate run with my blodger lineman but it was blitzed and fell.
He eventually scored a TD in the first half.
As usual, lady luck wants my KO'ed guys not to get up during the second half and, despite having 3 reserves, I still went something like 8v11 with him bashing my team pretty badly, getting another TD and gg.
Last match I'd like to share with you is against what I think is called a "Min-Maxer" playing Necro.
This guy had a shitload of money, his team TW was something like 5K, still his team was rated 1400ish: my fail-o-meter broke through the ceiling.
When I inspected his team I became demoralized and thought about conceding the match without playing as I saw two legends in the roster and other guys really high on level.
Still, I chose to play and try my best, maybe with some luck I could at least take a draw home.
The game went almost fair, as he risked a lot and I tried to play as solidly as possible, without getting risky in the beginning, but eventually my plan fell to pieces as he smashed some of my guys down and scored in the first half.
Luckily someone got up in the second half and I was ready for some more crazy plays, trying to get a TD but his big guys just said "NO" and one of them killed my wolf but luckily the apo saved the day.
If that sounded good to you then know that the next on the kill list was my lovely blodger who not only died, but also joined my opponent's ranks.
I admit I was a bit mad at it so I did strike back with my guys and guess who fell? One of his two legends. He died by the hand of one of my linemen and I was amazed.
I immediately said sorry about that to my opponent and, while it was absolutely true that a port of me felt pity for the legend, the other part of me almost came on the keyboard (forgive the crudeness).
Yeah, killing a legend definitely feels good.
Obviously he then destroyed the rest of my team and scored a second touchdown, but that's how things goes.
I know there have been other blog posts about min-maxers, but how do you feel about that?
Also, when fouling/killing one of the opponent's team member, do you actually "enjoy" it or do you just feel sorry because you only wanted to take him out from the match?
I hope I have not bored you with this long post, I'm looking forward your impressions!
See you around!
- Luca
Comments
Posted by Azure on 2012-06-30 19:20:36
I have felt both happy and sad when I kill a great player of my opponent's team. It depends on the person...if they refuse to chat and are just a min/maxer trying to kill my team - I feel nothing but joy at killing one of their key players. Conversely, if I am playing a newer players, an unbalanced matchup in my favor, or if the other guy is fun and we are having a great game - then I am sad when I take out a key player.
So I know what you mean - can be both happy or sad...for me it depends on my opponent.
So I know what you mean - can be both happy or sad...for me it depends on my opponent.
Posted by vaclav on 2012-06-30 19:25:46
Azure- Yup, no kill was sweet as killing your str4 runner dwarf :)
Posted by Jeffro on 2012-06-30 19:51:02
Boo for apologizing for killing players. To feel sorry about it and continue doing things that bring about the result is incongruent behavior and leads to mental frustration as you try to balance the justifications in your own head.
Just kill them and let it go when legends of your own die. It's the only way you'll survive playing for a long period of time. Don't be sorry. Embrace the sploosh sound, wherever it comes from.
Just kill them and let it go when legends of your own die. It's the only way you'll survive playing for a long period of time. Don't be sorry. Embrace the sploosh sound, wherever it comes from.
Posted by zakatan on 2012-06-30 20:08:41
Jeffro is right.
And if what you kill is a filthy minmaxed legend, there are reasons to celebrate. How do you think he got there in the first place...
And if what you kill is a filthy minmaxed legend, there are reasons to celebrate. How do you think he got there in the first place...
Posted by Naru1981 on 2012-06-30 21:27:40
TBH someone saying sorry annoys me. IF you was sorry then you wouldn't have blocked in first place. RIP is a possible outcome.
But when a great player is killed i still find it great lol
But when a great player is killed i still find it great lol
Posted by The_Murker on 2012-07-01 02:48:39
ah.. I lost my near legend Box AG4 human catcher today. RIP Crom. Was a good sploosh. My biggest fans (booing specs, love em) all gave him a several minute standing ovation and cheers. Was a proud moment.
donluca.. the question of the day is, how do YOU feel about playing min/maxed teams. What if every second game were like that. That's what alot of us would like to know.
donluca.. the question of the day is, how do YOU feel about playing min/maxed teams. What if every second game were like that. That's what alot of us would like to know.
Posted by donluca on 2012-07-01 14:04:54
First of all, thank you guys for your inputs, the bloodbowl community is awesome! :)
I must say that whenever an injury occurs on the other team I'm pretty thrilled as I know that my boys get stronger and the match turns in my favor... if I manage to kill an opponent's player then there's a mix of (a little of) sadness and (a lot of) delight and, yeah, as many of you said this is part of the game, so no need to be sorry.
Speaking of min-maxed teams... well, I must say that it's really frustrating playing against those guys, it just leads you to rage and try to do as much damage as possible to the other team without even trying to win.
As I said before, it is demoralizing as well as you know that if you want to try to win, you have to play super safe and very cautious as even the slightest mistake will make your castle of cards come down.
On the other hand, though, playing against a min-maxed team is sort of a great challenge, an opportunity to prove how superior your tactics are despite how developed or strong the other team is (put challenge accepted meme here).
If I'll ever win against a min-maxed team, you can bet that I'll be bragging night and day about it here and making a lengthy blog post with all the details on how the match went.
Yeah, that would definitely feel good.
It all depends on how you cope with this matter.
You can accept it as it is a part of the game (just like there are imbalanced classes in RPGs) and go the "if you cant' beat 'em, join 'em" way or just accept it as a challenge and devote yourself on searching & destroying this teams.
Not accepting the fact that those min-maxed teams exist and there is a possibility you will fight them is not an option, whining on blog posts about how unfair they are will not make you a better player, nor will help the community fighting against this problem.
If you're serious about this matter and want to find a way to avoid the use of min-maxed team, then we should make a poll on the forum and, depending on the results, decide to ban those abusing this technique.
As for me, I need to play more min-maxed team to see if there's a way, a good tactic, to contain their advantage and eventually beat them or if it is just a matter of luck.
Obviously, I'll keep you informed on my discoveries! :)
I must say that whenever an injury occurs on the other team I'm pretty thrilled as I know that my boys get stronger and the match turns in my favor... if I manage to kill an opponent's player then there's a mix of (a little of) sadness and (a lot of) delight and, yeah, as many of you said this is part of the game, so no need to be sorry.
Speaking of min-maxed teams... well, I must say that it's really frustrating playing against those guys, it just leads you to rage and try to do as much damage as possible to the other team without even trying to win.
As I said before, it is demoralizing as well as you know that if you want to try to win, you have to play super safe and very cautious as even the slightest mistake will make your castle of cards come down.
On the other hand, though, playing against a min-maxed team is sort of a great challenge, an opportunity to prove how superior your tactics are despite how developed or strong the other team is (put challenge accepted meme here).
If I'll ever win against a min-maxed team, you can bet that I'll be bragging night and day about it here and making a lengthy blog post with all the details on how the match went.
Yeah, that would definitely feel good.
It all depends on how you cope with this matter.
You can accept it as it is a part of the game (just like there are imbalanced classes in RPGs) and go the "if you cant' beat 'em, join 'em" way or just accept it as a challenge and devote yourself on searching & destroying this teams.
Not accepting the fact that those min-maxed teams exist and there is a possibility you will fight them is not an option, whining on blog posts about how unfair they are will not make you a better player, nor will help the community fighting against this problem.
If you're serious about this matter and want to find a way to avoid the use of min-maxed team, then we should make a poll on the forum and, depending on the results, decide to ban those abusing this technique.
As for me, I need to play more min-maxed team to see if there's a way, a good tactic, to contain their advantage and eventually beat them or if it is just a matter of luck.
Obviously, I'll keep you informed on my discoveries! :)
Posted by Jeffro on 2012-07-01 17:08:47
Often people lose sight of the fact that minmaxers are playing the meta-game of numbers advantage... much in the same way that you feel when you say:
"I must say that whenever an injury occurs on the other team I'm pretty thrilled as I know that my boys get stronger and the match turns in my favor..."
That's what minmax ClawPOMB teams are doing. They are trying to win BY killing your mens and gaining the numbers advantage. And they are doing it in a cold and effective businesslike manner. So again, I implore, do not be sad when you kill pixels. It'd be just as ridiculous to say sorry every time you win against someone...
... and winning is the thing.
"I must say that whenever an injury occurs on the other team I'm pretty thrilled as I know that my boys get stronger and the match turns in my favor..."
That's what minmax ClawPOMB teams are doing. They are trying to win BY killing your mens and gaining the numbers advantage. And they are doing it in a cold and effective businesslike manner. So again, I implore, do not be sad when you kill pixels. It'd be just as ridiculous to say sorry every time you win against someone...
... and winning is the thing.
Posted by MattDakka on 2012-07-02 01:28:55
If you want to win against Clawpombers, you have to use an agile team, either an undead or amazon team, or another clawpomb team (but in this last case injury dice and kick off will be more influent than your own coach skill).
Norse are not a good team to defeat Clawpombers.
Norse are not a good team to defeat Clawpombers.
Posted by the_Sage on 2012-07-02 08:20:33
Minor correction: norse are not a good team to beat pombers. they do quite all right against claw. =)
Posted by MattDakka on 2012-07-02 15:24:24
Claw doesn't affect AV 7, but on the other hand you don't need many damage skills to break it, so each block Norse players suffer is potential dangerous and they can't dodge away like elves, so they are not a good anticlaw team.
Posted by donluca on 2012-07-02 15:28:50
Alright, I just realized that "clawpomber" is a guy who has the claw, Piling On and Mighty Blow skills. xD
Thanks for the tips... and a question while I'm on it: if I manage rolling a +AV, would you take it to make my norse team more "reliable"?
Thanks for the tips... and a question while I'm on it: if I manage rolling a +AV, would you take it to make my norse team more "reliable"?
Posted by Fela on 2012-07-02 16:31:06
Not in the box.