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2010-06-02 12:09:07
27 votes, rating 3.7
27 votes, rating 3.7
A thought on Blood Bowl
After drawing once and losing twice with my High Elf team, the second time to a time stalling mass fouling injury hunting player, I was beginning to think perhaps I'd grown tired of Blood Bowl. After one game with my new Orc team, I couldn't love the game more.
While it may seem on the surface that I simply don't like losing (which I don't) and only like winning (and I do like winning) I think it is more than that. I believe most people have played those games where at the end you may have only lost by 1 touchdown, you may have only picked up one injury (maybe even none), but you've got almost NOTHING to show for the game. No SPP apart from your MVP.
These are the games which make me feel so remarkably fed up with Blood Bowl. I don't like injuries and deaths on my team; but I would rather have them provided they are accompanied by a ton of SPP, then a game in which I get almost nothing.
My High Elves have played three full games; my Orcs have played 1 half game. The Orcs already have gathered half the amount of SPP the Elves have and only 40K less gold.
Guess which team I'm looking forward to playing as more? :)
While it may seem on the surface that I simply don't like losing (which I don't) and only like winning (and I do like winning) I think it is more than that. I believe most people have played those games where at the end you may have only lost by 1 touchdown, you may have only picked up one injury (maybe even none), but you've got almost NOTHING to show for the game. No SPP apart from your MVP.
These are the games which make me feel so remarkably fed up with Blood Bowl. I don't like injuries and deaths on my team; but I would rather have them provided they are accompanied by a ton of SPP, then a game in which I get almost nothing.
My High Elves have played three full games; my Orcs have played 1 half game. The Orcs already have gathered half the amount of SPP the Elves have and only 40K less gold.
Guess which team I'm looking forward to playing as more? :)
Comments
Posted by Calcium on 2010-06-02 12:18:38
I am always concerned with coaches that comment on another coaches playstyle. Your 1st paragraph is ful of holes as far as I'm concerned.
Oppnent likes fouling? Leave the eye on him.
Opponent stalls? Force the score
Opponent likes to stand + fight? Dont give him blocks
etc. etc....
Just because you have a particular playstyle judging someone elses playstyle based on your own as a benchmark is ridiculous. Play your own game and learn to cope with differing playstyles.
for the record, Orcs are a great noob team! there's no better team to learn the ropes with.....
Oppnent likes fouling? Leave the eye on him.
Opponent stalls? Force the score
Opponent likes to stand + fight? Dont give him blocks
etc. etc....
Just because you have a particular playstyle judging someone elses playstyle based on your own as a benchmark is ridiculous. Play your own game and learn to cope with differing playstyles.
for the record, Orcs are a great noob team! there's no better team to learn the ropes with.....
Posted by KJG on 2010-06-02 12:23:54
How do you play half a game and still get SPP?
Posted by Sotax on 2010-06-02 12:57:48
earn spp with elves is so easy
Posted by Ancre on 2010-06-02 13:17:46
Next time you play with your elves, you may want to try to score as much as possible ? It's not as competitive, true, but it's much more fun. And you'll see your elves die a lot, but they will gain much more spp, so you'll have a high turnover of fast-skilling players (don't forget ! it's two 2+ to make a quick pass and gain 1spp, enough to get a skill with the mvp ! earning spp with elves really is easy).
I'm a (kinda newbish, true) elf player, and that's how I like to play.
But then again, if you like your orcs better, by all means go for the orcs :D
I'm a (kinda newbish, true) elf player, and that's how I like to play.
But then again, if you like your orcs better, by all means go for the orcs :D
Posted by maysrill on 2010-06-02 13:37:00
Your experience is atypical. Orcs actually skill up quite slowly as a team. Sure, the throwers (if you bother with them) and blitzers go fine, but the linemen are slow and skill-less, and the BoBs are a chore to skill up, with a choice of either waiting for cas and MVPs or forcing the ball to them.
Elves play fast and loose, scoring when they want to and playing to minimize incoming damage. With a mostly av8 team, they aren't even that tricky to keep alive.
You had ONE good game with orcs, who start out as a fairly competent team. You've had three bad games with elves, who suffer early from lack of Blodge. Once you get them going, the orcs will in no way be able to compete on spp per game with the elves.
Elves play fast and loose, scoring when they want to and playing to minimize incoming damage. With a mostly av8 team, they aren't even that tricky to keep alive.
You had ONE good game with orcs, who start out as a fairly competent team. You've had three bad games with elves, who suffer early from lack of Blodge. Once you get them going, the orcs will in no way be able to compete on spp per game with the elves.
Posted by Hofmeister on 2010-06-02 13:52:02
@ KJG - if you read his earlier blog, his oppo conceded after three RIPs
Posted by harvestmouse on 2010-06-02 15:01:30
This guy doesn't need this sort of advice guys. He has a win % of 74, and is obviously very very good.
Losing the odd game though, especially to unsavoury tactics like this, is obviously (and quite rightly so) going to leave a bad taste in your mouth.
Losing the odd game though, especially to unsavoury tactics like this, is obviously (and quite rightly so) going to leave a bad taste in your mouth.
Posted by p4m on 2010-06-02 15:22:08
74% isnt that high if most games are won vs n00bs or fun leagues...
so i wont know if he is as good as his win record indicates...
and learn the game with orcs and play the game with races that are fun to play...
so i wont know if he is as good as his win record indicates...
and learn the game with orcs and play the game with races that are fun to play...
Posted by asharak on 2010-06-02 15:55:09
He is still a new player. 74% means verylittle - almost all his games are against the same players in [L]. He has only faced one coach with a CR about 150, who was the time stalling mass fouling etc guy referenced.
Give him time to learn and we shall see :)
Give him time to learn and we shall see :)
Posted by TempestBlade on 2010-06-02 16:39:36
In response:
@Calcium - I don't mean to suggest that my naive "don't foul pointlessly, don't time stall, don't hunt to injury players maliciously" etc is any better. However it is certainly a style of play that I find more enjoyable. As a result, I'm going to have more enjoyment playing other people who share my perspective. If people want to play in the above way, absolutely fine, in no way is it cheating (apart from possibly fouling, but that's a cheating that's meant to be there!) or game breaking so go ahead. But, I won't want to play those people again because if I don't get pleasure from it why bother?
@Ancre: Yep SPP with Elves is very easy - but I couldn't manage it with those High Elves! Trust me, I play games as "score as often as possible", I just wasn't able to do so!
@Maysrill: Yeah I know AG4/higher MA teams have a much better time with SPP because of the greater chance of scoring TDs, passing, intercepting and all that jazz. I just happened to have a juicy game with the Orcs!
In regard to my winning percentage - it is shared against three players who I have played against for a long time. It is not a reflection of my play skill, which is nothing to shout about. I know some of the ins and outs, but I don't play with the cut-throat edge that perhaps I should.
@Calcium - I don't mean to suggest that my naive "don't foul pointlessly, don't time stall, don't hunt to injury players maliciously" etc is any better. However it is certainly a style of play that I find more enjoyable. As a result, I'm going to have more enjoyment playing other people who share my perspective. If people want to play in the above way, absolutely fine, in no way is it cheating (apart from possibly fouling, but that's a cheating that's meant to be there!) or game breaking so go ahead. But, I won't want to play those people again because if I don't get pleasure from it why bother?
@Ancre: Yep SPP with Elves is very easy - but I couldn't manage it with those High Elves! Trust me, I play games as "score as often as possible", I just wasn't able to do so!
@Maysrill: Yeah I know AG4/higher MA teams have a much better time with SPP because of the greater chance of scoring TDs, passing, intercepting and all that jazz. I just happened to have a juicy game with the Orcs!
In regard to my winning percentage - it is shared against three players who I have played against for a long time. It is not a reflection of my play skill, which is nothing to shout about. I know some of the ins and outs, but I don't play with the cut-throat edge that perhaps I should.
Posted by JellyBelly on 2010-06-02 20:31:37
It sounds like you had one very lucky game with your orcs, which is why you raked in so many SPP. But I think it would be a bit naive to let one game completely sway your judgement. Anything can happen in a single game - I think you need to play around 10-20 games with a race before you can really decide if they're for you or not.
Orcs are a great team for new coaches to learn with - easy to build and win with and can be competitive at all levels. I think the elven teams can be a bit more tricky. Most elven rosters seem to do better at higher TRs, and High Elves especially seem fairly poor at low TR. I think Humans are also a great team for new coaches to learn with, if you want to stretch yourself a bit more - they're a bit more challenging than orcs.
Orcs are a great team for new coaches to learn with - easy to build and win with and can be competitive at all levels. I think the elven teams can be a bit more tricky. Most elven rosters seem to do better at higher TRs, and High Elves especially seem fairly poor at low TR. I think Humans are also a great team for new coaches to learn with, if you want to stretch yourself a bit more - they're a bit more challenging than orcs.