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Chaos in Ranked and why I had to discourage my friend from playing Chaos. PART #1
Buckle up , this one will be a long one.

So recently my friend started getting interested in Blood Bowl. He played a couple tabletop games with me , found it really fun , then he bought Cyanide's Bloodbowl 2 and he was quite salty when he found out his pc couldnt run it properly. As such , I told him about Fumbbl. I told him I was having great fun , that the rules were properly implemented , that you get used to the graphics in game really fast and that overall it was the most fun and superior blood bowl experience for me. I described the site , told him about the different divisions and told him the best place to learn was to do like me , create a new team then get properly stomped for a while against way better coaches. He laughed and then said to me something that really clicked in my mind :

What team should I play in the Ranked division ?

I asked him what he prefered to do , bash , elfbowl , play wacky teams or a bit of all of that. He then said that he really liked to play bashy because he disliked the way you lose many a players when you play elves. I then said (probably stupidly) that in Fumbbl , some elf coaches dont really lose all that many players because they flat out refuse to play against bash. He froze , then asked me why some coaches wouldn't play against certain races. I told him those races would become really strong at high tv and they felt that it was unbalanced to play against them at that high tv , that the damage caused to them would inevitably drop them back down and they'd have to play a lot more games to get back that high , and that a lot of coaches dont have the time to do so. He said alright , but what about them (the bash teams) at medium to low tv ? I reluctantly said that you still dont get games all the time because players dont want you to reach high tv ( At least that's the impression that some coaches gave me ) and that they felt there was too many teams of specific races (Chaos and Nurgle in that case). They also dont play you because of a string of skills called CPOMB. They feel that the teams of that race specifically (with chaos dwarves) dont allow for good play and instead rely on dumb overpowered skills and that it wasnt fun to lose to a ''worst coach'' just because they spammed that specific skill set. So that's why some ( a lot ) of coaches dont play against those types of teams. He then wondered if they'd still play against those races ( Chaos and Nurgle ) if they dont have that spam or arent super bashy. I flat out told him that while some will start playing against you again , a lot will just ignore you even if they have a weaker/stronger team , a lower/higher coach rating and that i'll suck cause when you try to play a non-clawpomb spam team you'll still not get games against anyone and your only options will be to start preying on new / weaker coaches , pray that a coach will give you a game or you'll be forced to endure clawpomb spam after the other JUST TO GET A GAME WITH A NON CPOMB SPAM TEAM.
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Posted by Timetis on 2016-10-01 14:47:21
Yet you have a Ranked Chaos team with 145 games played, of which 30 were vs elf/skaven teams. It can't be all bad right? That is about the same ratio as my teams meet elves in the box.

Also, if you want more elfs, play more elfs.
Posted by asteflix on 2016-10-01 14:50:17
Yes , but I had to sometimes sit AGES in gamefinder only to get 1 elf match. Talking 12hrs and more and some dudes still refuse to play my team in it's current state. Which is ludicrous ( talking 2 mb and that's it)
Posted by Timetis on 2016-10-01 14:52:25
Did you also tell your friend about the [EU] box? I hate the notion that box should be 'the place to minmax' but if he wants to play what he wants he should be able to find his place there.
Posted by asteflix on 2016-10-01 14:55:27
He's a new player , he wants to play a fun team , he's in NA , all that he wanted was the freedom to play what he wants when he wants (Against varied opponents) , which is not the case.
Posted by asteflix on 2016-10-01 14:57:58
Thing is , if you're a NEW PLAYER , you shouldnt have to restrict what you play against because you shouldnt even be aware of those things ! A new player at least should have diversity in his matches ! A new player should have nice old coaches to teach him stuff instead of INSULTING HIM because he plays team A instead of team B.
Posted by asteflix on 2016-10-01 15:01:14
It's as infuriating as explaining to your kid back in the 1900 that you had to sit in the back of the bus and you couldnt eat in some places. Point is , you'd still get to sit in a bus and you'd still get to eat out but you'd get shitty food and strange gazes and that's NOT RIGHT PEOPLE. (If you dont get it im refering to racial segregation) which is what you guys are doing (to a lesser extent)
Posted by ArrestedDevelopment on 2016-10-01 15:06:24
Well, you don't "fix ranked" by telling people to "pollute" box (if you disagree with what they're doing). Box has a rep for a lot of things it doesn't actually contain/display all the time because it's very easy for people to simply say "box is where the bad stuff happens".

As you've discovered... it isn't really.

In fact, anything you can do in [B], you can do in [R], with one small caveat - you're not assured of getting a game with it. People will point to this as evidence that the most antisocial members/teams on the site therefore will flock to [B] and remain there. Anyone who's ever actually spectated, never mind played, a few games in [R] will know that that belief is absolutely misplaced.
Posted by asteflix on 2016-10-01 15:08:22
My point is that a new player shouldnt get into bloodbowl with the perspective of not being able to play what he wants because he's gonna get insulted and he wont even be able to find a game if he plays what he loves.
Posted by ArrestedDevelopment on 2016-10-01 15:19:11
I agree with that, I just take umbrage at the idea that "box is for minmax".

Your issue as it appears isn't minmax, or cpomb spam or anything really about roster building. It's a prevalence of (in)human(e) attitude towards self-selecting for personal gain (either in-game or meta-game).

In effect, your issue is that people in ranked can pick, and not only do they pick, but their manner of doing so (and the accepted manner within the division) allows them to (a) play vs players who are forced into making sub-optimal skill choices merely to get a game, (b) play games that are also lopsided in their favour in terms of TV against these teams as their opponent is simply desperate for a game, and (c) justify a+b, and feel morally superior to their hapless opponent, simply because their multiple pombers etc do not have access to a skill called "claw".



I've said multiple times [R] can have all the same problems as [B]. It also has a multitude more that [B] doesn't have.
Posted by MattDakka on 2016-10-01 15:20:13
Play some matches in Secret League/League with him and teach him the game, then, when he's enough aware of the game he can play the team he wants in Black Box.
Posted by easilyamused on 2016-10-01 15:20:39
In my experience people don't get insulted for what type of team they play. They get insulted for how they act in the game.

The NA time zone is notorious for having less games played, but with less people on the site at those times it's to be expected.
Posted by asteflix on 2016-10-01 15:22:35
I whole-heatedly agree with what you said AD. It's just that I want him to have a few games against better coaches than me before directing him to B. I can't teach him everything for I am not a ''Good'' coach , and I really hope he likes the game so I dont want him to have an unlucky stroke of matches and get disinterested in this great game.
Posted by asteflix on 2016-10-01 15:23:33
@easilyamused I was personally insulted for playing chaos numerous times. Sometimes not even in a hidden way , just look in the comments of previous blogs.
Posted by ArrestedDevelopment on 2016-10-01 15:32:31
Asteflix: 145 club (league) will get him shark-free games, and https://fumbbl.com/p/group?op=view&group=5413 faculty of academy instructors.

If he makes a league team there are quite a number of coaches on the site who will happily take some time to play an educational game if they're pm'd. The faculty lists a few.
Posted by Kondor on 2016-10-01 15:34:04
Please direct him to the 145 club.
Posted by asteflix on 2016-10-01 15:35:00
Alright , I will do that thank you people :)
Posted by Uedder on 2016-10-02 01:00:19
Dude you complain about lack of elves, and yet I agreed to play your nurgles with my high elves and you never replied me...

Some things are stranger than fishin' :)
Posted by pythrr on 2016-10-02 01:25:36
emo thread FTW
Posted by Rbthma on 2016-10-02 04:05:59
It sounds like you're projecting a lot onto this new coach. Direct him towards the 145 Club to ease him onto Fumbbl and he'll find his way from there.
Posted by MrNomad on 2016-10-02 07:16:36
Either he has what it takes to play blood bowl or tell him pack up his skirt and find a more care bear game to play.
Posted by pythrr on 2016-10-02 07:27:39
oo, CARE BEARS