Posted by Sigmar1 on 2015-09-25 23:43:12

I agree with you...you must have no clue how to play them :)

Vampires are awesome but they can be challenging. But they don't need a fix.

Posted by JimmyFantastic on 2015-09-25 23:43:35

Well, they have won a Major ;) They can be unstoppable once they have skilled up Vampires but they are always prone to imploding.

Posted by Dominik on 2015-09-25 23:59:50

Vampire are currently the race I fear the most besides teams with one turners.
Block, Dodge, Pro is the path to success obviously.

Posted by JackassRampant on 2015-09-26 00:04:21

I used to play in the same NBFL division as The_Provocateur, and let me tell you the last thing Vampires need is a buff. They're weak at low TV and strong at high TV.

Posted by Jokaero on 2015-09-26 00:04:45

I don't know what benefit they would get from Leap? Hypno Gaze seems way better to break up a cage. :-) I think Vamps are quite competitive at high TV, i.e. once the Vamps got Blodge, Pro.

Posted by pythrr on 2015-09-26 00:22:12

a couple of stat vamps and a developed team = really hard to defend against.

they are streaky tho, as bad dice (nom nom hunger) will screw you.

Posted by Uedder on 2015-09-26 00:36:57

Jackass Prov doesn't count. He's the one that needs to be nerfed.

Vampires are strong, just need to know how to play'em (I don't).

Posted by Wreckage on 2015-09-26 00:47:38

The reason why Vamps work these days and didn't work before are 2 things:
1. OFAB doesn't mess with your sequence of actinos anymore, so you can reliably plan your turn and are not succeptible to suddenly lose blitzes and and passes.
2. OFAB doesn't actually kill anyone anymore, so the team doesn't face the increased detoriation it used to face.

Posted by animefreak2599 on 2015-09-26 01:01:41

Honestly I feel like giving thralls av8 or thick skull would hugely fix their awful problems at low TVs without giving buffing them much at higher TVs

Posted by mrt1212 on 2015-09-26 01:27:32

OFAB? Open for a bite?

Posted by Mr_Foulscumm on 2015-09-26 04:02:05

Leap and Hypno Gaze as standard? :/

Posted by Village_Idiot on 2015-09-26 04:12:34

I suck at BB, but I'm especially horrible at vamps.
Still, I recognize their developed potential is very high (usually from other people doing horrible things to me)

So, if any fix is seriously considered, I think the one animefreak made, makes a lot of sense. Thick Skull on all of the thralls would make a difference, without becoming overpowering at a later stage, like free leap would be.
If you want to give vamps anything, free 'pro' (on the vamps only) might help without drastically adjusting their 'upside'. They'll just fail less on the 'front' end, when you're low on rerolls, and have no skills that reduce how much you need rerolls. It's not like pro is as sure-fire as a reroll.

Alternatively, make their rerolls cheaper, no free pro. Lower level, you can buy up RRs to compensate for your wideranging suck, higher levels, you'll likely be ditching some RRs to not give yourself too much TV bloat.

Or just give them the ability to hypnotic gaze during any point of their move, and/or while you're blitzing. Isn't that what they used to have? =)

Posted by Beerox on 2015-09-26 05:02:07

They're supposed to suck. No pun intended.

Posted by Dominik on 2015-09-26 05:22:47

@Village_idiot:

Good proposals, and Nurgle should have a little buff too, as this team is too slow and clumsy compared to other teams.
I am thinking about 0-2 "Pestigor Hero" with Agility 4 and Dodge additionally for like 20k extra player costs. This would make this team more balanced and compensate the inferior ball handling skills of the Nurgle Warriors.

Posted by Wreckage on 2015-09-26 05:59:21

I think 6 3 3 7 G is incredibly good for only 40k. I don't see how you can keep that price tag and add more skills.

Posted by tussock on 2015-09-26 07:13:07

Vamps are fine, they're supposed to be a joke team and aside from the odd group of stat monsters they normally are. Like the fluff, all goes well and then the Vamps lose interest and run into the crowd to feed. You still win lots more games than the stunties.

Nurgs are also fine, and win a bunch of games once they finally get parked up at 2000+ TV.

Posted by Roland on 2015-09-26 07:25:13

@mrt1212: off for a bite = bloodlust

Posted by pythrr on 2015-09-26 09:42:45

nurgle really really really do not need a buff, cough, clawpomb, cough

Posted by fidius on 2015-09-26 10:21:57

The only thing I'd really change is to make Nerves of Steel work with Hypno Gaze, which would give them something to take on doubles.

Posted by JimmyFantastic on 2015-09-26 13:02:36

That was the joke Pithrr