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How to have FUN
alternative, more adversarial title: Everyone is a picker, except me

TL;DR from someone who read a draft and has, unlike me, the gift of synthesis
if my best bet of a fair game is to select an opponent of equal standing or better, then opting for a random game is almost certainly a form of "picking"

On to the show, now.

Periodically, people complain about widespread picking in the current gamefinder-only environment. Or as MerryZ calls it, GameTinder. This is not dating advice but it will sound eerily similar from time to time.

This blog post is not intended as an attack on any individual who has expressed opinions about this perceived trend, but instead as a commentary on the general argument, and a primer on ways to avoid staring at expiring offer after expiring offer for hours and hours on end.

Condemn the sin, not the sinner, all that jazz.

First of all, why are coaches refusing MY offers?

Let's flip that question around and say why am I refusing other coaches' offers of games.

As a way to enforce variety, no matchups already played will be accepted. I've already faced Elven Union with Orcs, so I'm not actively seeking EU with Orcs or accepting offers of that kind. For similar reasons I'd much rather face the less popular team you have, because they're few and far between. There are less picky chaps around that greenlight everything and get a game in seconds.

Another big turnoff for me is seeing some guy with multiples of the same roster on gamefinder. What a boring geezer. Some reach double digits of the same. And let's face it, it's never Goblin. We know, we know, you happen to really like and enjoy that particular flavour of Tier 1 but, in principle, you're really in favour of variety and wish there was more of it. More on that later.

Whatever else? Personal preference. You don't like that guy. You've lost to that guy before. You didn't have a fun match.

Some coaches simulate seasons already by not playing teams with more than 15 matches played. Others maintain a "do not play list", some just keep it private. Am I on your DNP list? Sorry to hear that. Apologies.

The elephant in the room, of course, stemming from that, is caring about your win rate and record. Not that you ever should, it's just numbers. Let's also acknowledge it sounds weird coming from me, a self-proclaimed "bad at it" guy who currently bears the "Legend" label, and worse when people with a more consistent history and presence in the community say it out loud. But it's true and the earlier you embrace it the better for your abilities. People that do not care have more fun and often do better.

But some people do skip offers based on perceived chance of a win. People avoid coaches with Legend or Super Star labels, even though that has no objective value. You can pick your way to legend and sit there basking in the glory of your POINTS while actively avoiding lower rated coaches (like sometimes Malmir is, astonishingly)... Who are lower rated because they play lower tier teams and don't pick as much, but can and will wipe the floor of almost everyone on the site.

PRO TIP: you can tank your CR easily by losing a couple matches against Veteran/Experienced coaches. That will certainly get you more games, therefore more fun (this is, retroactively, the explanation to every CR-tanking loss I've ever had).

One way or the other, maybe everyone is indeed a picker. The more you convince yourself of that, the more you become the worst picker ever, because if "everyone is doing it" is true then the only rational path is doing it to the extreme. Not everyone is motivated by winrate and CR, that's why you sometimes get matches that are way way easier for you than for your opponent. Some enjoy the challenge, some don't know, some just want a match. Therefore the premise (everyone is picking) is patently false.

Gamefinder, or box for that matter, are not the epitome of competition. They're pick up matches at the local store, just online. Whoever comes out on top of the endless "king of the hill" pile-up called Coach Ranking, wins nothing.

You want a fair competition? Don't play Blood Bowl.

You want competition? Join a league, or the knockout tournaments.

Knockout is competitive by definition, as your next opponent is going to be better than the previous ones, in the long run. Rumbles, smacks, minors, and eventually, majors. That's where the worthy opponents are.

Everything else is just pickup games. Key is in the name. And be that game scheduled by agreement or by algorithm, it's still a pickup game, something you do primarily to waste an hour. If somebody doesn't want to waste an hour with you, or, if it's not you, against your team, then you might want to change yourself or your choice of team, try some of that variety.

Or you can keep blaming your potential matches, I'm sure that will win them over eventually.

This post might come off as antagonistic or arrogant or preachy to some, but there's no need to put your gripes in the comment section. If your "solution" is that there should be a way to force people to play you even if they don't want to, I'm afraid the problem you are trying to solve is well within yourself.

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Posted by PainState on 2022-05-17 00:30:03
Thank NUFFLE iam not in a league with you Java, I would refuse every single game. League rules be dammned!!!!

:}

Good post
Posted by BigChiefSittingDuck on 2022-05-17 00:31:36
Agree with pretty much all of that Java! Except once FUMBBL is fully operational again - if you want fair competition, PLAY BLACKBOX! Hopefully it will return soon, as that is the only way to arrange games completely fairly in my opinion. It would also avoid those long waits on gamefinder.
Posted by Java on 2022-05-17 00:40:47
Chief, I have to disagree, box wasn't and won't be fair in any sense of the word, maybe not even with seasons implemented, categorically not without them . Part of the reasons are included in the post. It was, and it will be, another tool in the fumbbl armoury, a nice toy, nothing more. Others have detailed it better than me before, so I won't try.
Posted by Storr on 2022-05-17 08:55:12
I pretty much only play RRR these days as Java has never ever accepted an offer on gamefinder from me.
Posted by ClayInfinity on 2022-05-17 08:56:36
Nice post! I am one of the "no more than 15 games crowd" and I also pick on the basis of Dedicated Fans. No use playing you if the money is rubbish! Outside of that, I will play most match ups save the clear bad games (Dorfs vs Zons for example). My CR implodes when I play stunties and I am slowly going thru all races to 15 games. What am I saying? That I am a picker but not worried about CR...
Posted by koadah on 2022-05-17 10:46:07
I did wonder why it was called the "Competitive" division.
Posted by Azur on 2022-05-17 12:26:56
And I, still wonder why the Black Box is considered as a fair environment.
IMHO, it's just a cherry-picking competition in (a subtle) disguise.

I agree with Java, and think leagues are the only "fair" environment.
As long as you are aware that BB will always be unfair, no matter what competition system you use.
Posted by mekutata on 2022-05-17 18:45:32
Posted by mekutata on 2022-05-17 18:49:08
If gamefinder is tinder, what is Black Box?
Grrrreindeer.
Posted by Halfabrain on 2022-05-17 19:44:47
Black box was at least semi random and had a certain cachet, particularly for those that played lower tier but only a lunatic would describe it as fair.
A lot of the time it seemed to just be a hunting ground for high end Nurgle
Posted by The_Murker on 2022-05-17 22:31:06
I do appreciate a rant against picking. It's frustrating when one offers a match that slightly, or significantly, favors the other coach, and they reply with a brave challenge to your halflings with their Mighty Blow dwarves.

I think Black Box, with a redraft system that limits the heights of chaos/ork/dwarf power, will be a super new twist to diversity on FUMBBL. Looking forward to it. Bash might be best.. but it can be only so good at 1300 TV. Any elf team can beat any ork team at 1300 TV a good percentage of the time.
Posted by Lyracian on 2022-05-17 23:30:08
I have mostly been playing League and holding out for Black Box 2.0. It may not be the best environment but I like the random element. Given the delay though might need to suck it up and use game finder.

Personally I do like seeing my CR go up; however I also know I need to play better coaches to actually improve.
Posted by wintergreen13 on 2022-05-17 23:55:49
"PRO TIP: you can tank your CR easily by losing a couple matches against Veteran/Experienced coaches. That will certainly get you more games, therefore more fun (this is, retroactively, the explanation to every CR-tanking loss I've ever had)."

+1

Lovely post, especially because both of those links were hilarious. Ultimately, as fun as C is, I've found the banter and competition in leagues to be more my cup of tea these days. Definitely has nothing to do with the number of people on Gamefinder at 6:00 server time, my preferred time to play pickup games...
Posted by HimalayaP1C7 on 2022-05-18 00:03:46
For the new Gamefinder we had a user request for something that is provisionally being called "Zen Mode", basically meaning you can choose not to see as much info about your opponents and their teams.

Reading this blog post encouraged me to get it implemented, I wonder what people think? It is completely optional and may take some willpower to use.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d01keBsCKjk

A final change to the video that Christer has asked for is that you won't even see the opponents team value, but rather the % difference from your own team value (you won't know whether higher or lower).
Posted by Java on 2022-05-18 00:06:31
thanks @everyone for the feedback

@Murker I won't be that dwarf, I've already tricked a fling coach with a Deathroller disguised as a burger truck. But I can relate to that feeling!

@wintegreen I plan to do one about Black Orcs by using only Father Ted clips... and by plan I mean I just now thought of the weird pairing
Posted by Java on 2022-05-18 00:19:15
@HimalayaP1C7 Anyone could tell the second coach is Christer because there are 3 TK teams... Apart from that it looks great, not sure if the majority would use it but I applaud the idea.
Posted by Melmoth on 2022-05-18 10:32:42
But what if...I dont want to have fun?
Posted by koadah on 2022-05-18 11:23:24
Just accept the first offer you receive.
Posted by Jim_Fear on 2022-05-18 15:16:34
Excellent write up, Java. Thank you.
Posted by BlackNWhiteDog on 2022-05-18 18:17:11
Nice one I enjoyed reading this!
Posted by Java on 2022-05-18 21:26:30
@Melmoth you can play me
Posted by Melmoth on 2022-05-19 12:10:15
@Java: Not if I dont want to have fun;-)
Posted by naytsyrhc on 2022-05-19 12:43:26
Very nice post. Explains, why I did give up trying to play games with gamefinder after just a few games. My offers have been declined or I got offers from teams that just chose my goblins because it's a (quite) easy matchup with Dwarfs of Chorfs. It's getting boring for me...
Posted by Valen on 2022-05-20 13:13:42
Spot on post pal, very good read