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2013-05-29 18:10:49
42 votes, rating 3
42 votes, rating 3
How to dice somebody
If you play this game enough then you'll be on one side of a dicing.
How you behave when you are on the nice side of dice is just as important as how you behave when you are getting your ass handed to you by Nuffle.
I'd say the worst thing you can do is be silent. Short of a concession, your opponent is having to endure a crap situation to finish the game. Your silence removes the only other opportunity for something positive - interaction - and ensures a rubbish experience.
If you show sympathy or empathy (even something as simple as an "it happens" or "it's a game") you give your opponent a way out of the dice misery and most will snap out of their frustration. It makes a big difference.
In fact even something combative ("shut up whining") is better than silence.
What's most insulting is to dice somebody in silence then be glib about it once it's over. I had somebody comment, "Fun game!" What an imbecile. It was not fun, it was not a challenge to you, it was not a game that was competitive*, it was just a waste of my time which further wasted the time I'd spent playing the team to that point.
* I believe the best games are the closest ones - all of my close tournament wins & losses are among the games I enjoyed the most.
I had somebody say today, "Thanks for your time." That is a classy way to end an uncompetitive game. Fundamentally, a dicing is one coach sacrificing his time for another, so it is really nice to hear appreciation of that.
/rant over
How you behave when you are on the nice side of dice is just as important as how you behave when you are getting your ass handed to you by Nuffle.
I'd say the worst thing you can do is be silent. Short of a concession, your opponent is having to endure a crap situation to finish the game. Your silence removes the only other opportunity for something positive - interaction - and ensures a rubbish experience.
If you show sympathy or empathy (even something as simple as an "it happens" or "it's a game") you give your opponent a way out of the dice misery and most will snap out of their frustration. It makes a big difference.
In fact even something combative ("shut up whining") is better than silence.
What's most insulting is to dice somebody in silence then be glib about it once it's over. I had somebody comment, "Fun game!" What an imbecile. It was not fun, it was not a challenge to you, it was not a game that was competitive*, it was just a waste of my time which further wasted the time I'd spent playing the team to that point.
* I believe the best games are the closest ones - all of my close tournament wins & losses are among the games I enjoyed the most.
I had somebody say today, "Thanks for your time." That is a classy way to end an uncompetitive game. Fundamentally, a dicing is one coach sacrificing his time for another, so it is really nice to hear appreciation of that.
/rant over
Comments
Posted by Calcium on 2013-05-29 18:17:17
How to dice somebody - By Calcium (Chainsaw shortened edition)
Roll 6's, not 1's.
Roll 6's, not 1's.
Posted by Azure on 2013-05-29 18:18:57
Good post. Empathy for a person when they are getting diced is important. The worst games are the ones where someone is mocking and insulting after they dice you.
Posted by harvestmouse on 2013-05-29 18:21:39
Terrible post. When someone whines as much as Chainsaw, I have no interest in interacting with them.
I think it's the height of bad manners to painstakingly point out the only reason you are losing is because of dice.
Grow a pair and behave like a man.
I think it's the height of bad manners to painstakingly point out the only reason you are losing is because of dice.
Grow a pair and behave like a man.
Posted by Jeffro on 2013-05-29 18:22:05
Swearing at people doesn't help in game conversation, though, Azure... ;)
Posted by Demha on 2013-05-29 18:24:30
I agree completely. However, a big problem is that many coaches, especially rookie ones, will always blame the dice, regardless of blatant play mistakes that actually cost them the game. When that happens, I'll just stay silent and not argue with them; that never ends well.
So true dicing: total empathy. Whining about the dice: really annoying.
So true dicing: total empathy. Whining about the dice: really annoying.
Posted by Kam on 2013-05-29 19:01:44
Very true Demha. Not so long ago for instance, I had a game versus a Pact team. Only 2 rr, no Block on his big guys. Yet he did all his blocks / blitzes with them. You guess the result: a few bad rolls, and a bunch of turnovers. The guy started complaining about his bad luck. What was I supposed to do? Be sympathetic? I told him once maybe that was not the right way to play with loners - he didn't listen. I then shut up, because arguing was pointless, and I had no reason to comfort him in the idea the dice were responsible for his loss...
On a side-note, Saw, your blog ratings get diced every time. :D
On a side-note, Saw, your blog ratings get diced every time. :D
Posted by koadah on 2013-05-29 19:16:31
No real empathy for coaches who take the game so seriously that getting diced matters.
The more a coach whines the less empathy I am going to have unless he's a real rookie.
A leet coach having fit because a rookie is beating him with horrible play is one of the funniest things on the site. :D
The more a coach whines the less empathy I am going to have unless he's a real rookie.
A leet coach having fit because a rookie is beating him with horrible play is one of the funniest things on the site. :D
Posted by keggiemckill on 2013-05-29 19:21:35
When my opponents gets diced, I try to acknowledge that, by saying things like "I hate when that happens." I think from the other side of the table and being diced. I hate when the coach says things like "It BB." or"Its just a game." We both know this, but I find it a derogatory Icing on the cake. Most people are pretty good about things.
Posted by Overhamsteren on 2013-05-29 19:55:44
How to dice somebody depends on who is getting diced. :D
also
http://imageshack.us/a/img255/5610/raging2.png :O
also
http://imageshack.us/a/img255/5610/raging2.png :O
Posted by SirOrange on 2013-05-29 19:56:21
Ok, lets be honest now. There is really nothing the opponent can say (or not say) to make up for a dicing. The key is to be able to receive a dicing and still be a good sport.
Posted by PaddyMick on 2013-05-29 20:09:20
Good points well made, I think it's important to be a good winner whatever the circumstances.
Even if they whine I tend to sympathise, up to a point.
Most of the guys on my blacklist are whiners/bad losers.
Since I play mostly ogres now, when I dice someone it's pretty bad, but they can hardly moan when getting beat by the worst team in BB.
Even if they whine I tend to sympathise, up to a point.
Most of the guys on my blacklist are whiners/bad losers.
Since I play mostly ogres now, when I dice someone it's pretty bad, but they can hardly moan when getting beat by the worst team in BB.
Posted by Mr_Foulscumm on 2013-05-29 20:31:56
Hmphf...
I thought this was going to show us a way of getting great dice.
Total letdown :(
I thought this was going to show us a way of getting great dice.
Total letdown :(
Posted by pythrr on 2013-05-29 21:01:19
is this about how to naama someone again?
Posted by Dunenzed on 2013-05-29 21:15:12
It might be about needing a hug. Like when rage blogging about a 0RR CD team.
Posted by Lorebass on 2013-05-29 22:36:03
Yeah, no sympathy here. I will admit i diced you in our "Legends" game but we have all seen a certain someone(you) complain whole-heartedly about dice even when your winning 3-0.
Posted by The_Murker on 2013-05-29 23:16:29
I can say I am really not a fan of having someone painstakingly point out every single time he gets a below average dice roll in the game, or makes a comment every time my 1 d block ends in a POW.
It's like saying "I'm better than you and I need you to know why you are winning. It's the dice."
You can still try and play well when you get bad dice. Win or lose, Blood Bowl is a waste of time. It should be enjoyable every time. If you don't enjoy Blood Bowl, stop playing.
It's like saying "I'm better than you and I need you to know why you are winning. It's the dice."
You can still try and play well when you get bad dice. Win or lose, Blood Bowl is a waste of time. It should be enjoyable every time. If you don't enjoy Blood Bowl, stop playing.
Posted by JackassRampant on 2013-05-30 01:10:25
I always give my opponent a "gg" after the game, even if it wasn't. It kind of hurts when the opponent calls me on it, I have to say.
I think whining about bad dice is just part of the game. There's a limit, but the occasional, "yep, another 1..." or something is integral to the experience. I think it's good to acknowledge when you're getting lucky after your opponent complains, but it doesn't take a lot: in fact, when you're winning on dice, I think the trick is to say as little as possible while still saying something.
I had some rookie coach once dice me to heck, then start spouting really obvious truisms as if better play could keep me from rolling (I kid you not) 14 skulls in a row.
I think whining about bad dice is just part of the game. There's a limit, but the occasional, "yep, another 1..." or something is integral to the experience. I think it's good to acknowledge when you're getting lucky after your opponent complains, but it doesn't take a lot: in fact, when you're winning on dice, I think the trick is to say as little as possible while still saying something.
I had some rookie coach once dice me to heck, then start spouting really obvious truisms as if better play could keep me from rolling (I kid you not) 14 skulls in a row.
Posted by Homersmyid on 2013-05-30 09:10:45
There are plenty of game you can play that have zero randomness (chess, go, and so on). If I take a chance and it pays off, then I get the reward. If I don't I suffer the consequences. Even if something is likely to happen, 999 out of 1000, it's still going to fail occasionally. That's the difference between (999 out of a 1000) and (1000 out of a 1000).
Posted by koadah on 2013-05-30 09:30:19
I can see how saying gg when it obviously wasn't could wind someone up. ;)
I'd probably go with 'better luck next time'
I'd probably go with 'better luck next time'
Posted by the_Sage on 2013-05-30 13:23:11
The post itself is good.
The fact that you're posting it... I think Harvestmouse has a point there.
"How you behave when you are on the nice side of dice is just as important as how you behave when you are getting your ass handed to you by Nuffle."
Whining when getting diced is unbecoming but natural. Whining about a bad die roll when you're winning is sad.
The fact that you're posting it... I think Harvestmouse has a point there.
"How you behave when you are on the nice side of dice is just as important as how you behave when you are getting your ass handed to you by Nuffle."
Whining when getting diced is unbecoming but natural. Whining about a bad die roll when you're winning is sad.
Posted by NoCoolNickLeft on 2013-05-30 16:40:56
If dice is beating you more than the opponents great play, I think it is fair to say it. To qoute the best coach on this site, 'avalanche rolls' happens and then you just have to hope for the best:)
And yes, saying gg, when one part did not enjoy at all, is like kicking in the balls - not cool.
@Koadah. If you did not care about the game at all, why bother playing to begin with? You play to have fun, fun can be losing a tight game, but fun is not wasting 30 minutes clicking turn caus you are dominated...
And yes, saying gg, when one part did not enjoy at all, is like kicking in the balls - not cool.
@Koadah. If you did not care about the game at all, why bother playing to begin with? You play to have fun, fun can be losing a tight game, but fun is not wasting 30 minutes clicking turn caus you are dominated...
Posted by Arktoris on 2013-05-30 16:52:34
I notice when I get dice raped, alot of coaches end with "Thanks for the game" instead of "good game".
to me I'd rather get the gg, as "Thanks for the game" reminds me of "wham bam thank you, maam."
not cool after a DR.
to me I'd rather get the gg, as "Thanks for the game" reminds me of "wham bam thank you, maam."
not cool after a DR.
Posted by liquidorange on 2013-05-30 19:46:56
Harvestmouse. +1.
Posted by the_Sage on 2013-05-30 21:03:53
@ Arktoris:
I do that too.
Like Chainsaw says in the OP: dicerapes usually don't make for very good games. So when I suffer one, and my opponent says 'gg', I think 'like hell it was'.
So when I am on either end of Nuffle's wrath/glory, I tend to go for 'thanks for the game'.
I do that too.
Like Chainsaw says in the OP: dicerapes usually don't make for very good games. So when I suffer one, and my opponent says 'gg', I think 'like hell it was'.
So when I am on either end of Nuffle's wrath/glory, I tend to go for 'thanks for the game'.
Posted by Rabe on 2013-05-31 10:17:45
One of the greatest compliments I can get is when an opponent tells me he really enjoyed the match, even when it was obviously determined by dice totally in my favor. Sometimes it's just the coach's attitude (which is great), sometimes it's directly related to my behavior (chatting, laughing together, showing empathy).
So, I agree with with Chainsaw here - and the personal context doesn't matter much to me (in this case), since the message can stand for itself IMO.
So, I agree with with Chainsaw here - and the personal context doesn't matter much to me (in this case), since the message can stand for itself IMO.
Posted by Slex on 2013-05-31 18:39:16
Lectured by Chainsaw about behaving, where is this world going..
@Jeffro: Just report him often enough.
@Jeffro: Just report him often enough.
Posted by koadah on 2013-05-31 19:20:57
@NoCoolNickLeft: Fun is what you make of it. If I have really been diced so badly then should be pretty quick & easy for the opponent to finish off the game. So, no big deal.