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2016-01-12 15:56:00
10 votes, rating 3
10 votes, rating 3
Learning Elvish
With the High Elf XFL approaching, I rebooted (not for the first time) my Zoolander franchise and started trying to get them enough skills as not to be total fodder for the tournament.
Playing elves is very different from playing bash. I've had reasonable success with dark elves and skaven, both of which are on the bashier side of the agility teams, but high elves have taken some getting used to.
1. They suck at rookie level. No dodge, no sure hands, only 2 block. Rerolls are cheap but players so expensive you can't start with many unless you are happy to start with mainly linemen.
2. I'm only putting numbers in because Verminado did.
3. See #2.
With those points in mind, getting going is quite tough. You are at a disadvantage with bash and the many dodges for repositioning are much hairier without any dodge. Developing cage breaking skills takes longer than with other teams as dodge is almost essential on any such player.
Planning and patience are the order of the day. Blocks become very secondary to exploiting or limiting space. The lack of frenzy in early builds makes the pitch wide and harder to cover. Pro elves at least start with side step.
TL;DR: all the other elf teams start out with some speciality. HE specialize at nothing and require much patience and thought.
Playing elves is very different from playing bash. I've had reasonable success with dark elves and skaven, both of which are on the bashier side of the agility teams, but high elves have taken some getting used to.
1. They suck at rookie level. No dodge, no sure hands, only 2 block. Rerolls are cheap but players so expensive you can't start with many unless you are happy to start with mainly linemen.
2. I'm only putting numbers in because Verminado did.
3. See #2.
With those points in mind, getting going is quite tough. You are at a disadvantage with bash and the many dodges for repositioning are much hairier without any dodge. Developing cage breaking skills takes longer than with other teams as dodge is almost essential on any such player.
Planning and patience are the order of the day. Blocks become very secondary to exploiting or limiting space. The lack of frenzy in early builds makes the pitch wide and harder to cover. Pro elves at least start with side step.
TL;DR: all the other elf teams start out with some speciality. HE specialize at nothing and require much patience and thought.
Comments
Posted by Uedder on 2016-01-12 16:09:06
A cage breaker isn't as essential for HEs as it is for other races (namely skaven, pro elves and woodies). Why? Because av8. Av8 means you can stand your ground, you can harass the opponent cage, you can mark, and you won't be as outnumbered as often as with av7 teams. As.
Since you're good at darkies and skaven (or so you say), i think High Elves are the right mix of them both.
A bit of positional, double column grind as darkies, and a bit of madness and flashyness as skaven. Need to balance the two of them.
For me they're basically pro elves with linemen that i can sometimes leave in contact to mark the opposition.
Just like pros, HEs specialize at passing, which isn't really the best thing in Blood Bowl, but can be pretty good.
All in all, I came to love High Elves. Just, like with any other elven race, remember they're just a lesser spawn of the only true and original dominant elven race: pro elves.
Since you're good at darkies and skaven (or so you say), i think High Elves are the right mix of them both.
A bit of positional, double column grind as darkies, and a bit of madness and flashyness as skaven. Need to balance the two of them.
For me they're basically pro elves with linemen that i can sometimes leave in contact to mark the opposition.
Just like pros, HEs specialize at passing, which isn't really the best thing in Blood Bowl, but can be pretty good.
All in all, I came to love High Elves. Just, like with any other elven race, remember they're just a lesser spawn of the only true and original dominant elven race: pro elves.
Posted by awambawamb on 2016-01-12 16:12:30
Av7 would waste the opponent's 20k*(number of can openers) TV. such a cheesy choice the pro elves are.mmmh, tasty cheesy elves.
Posted by thoralf on 2016-01-12 16:15:20
If HEs blitzers wore Hockey masks, they'd be my favorite elven team.
OTOH, it's hard to make that kind of stare with a hockey mask:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ao31lQuYPjE
Magnum!
OTOH, it's hard to make that kind of stare with a hockey mask:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ao31lQuYPjE
Magnum!
Posted by NerdBird on 2016-01-12 16:49:34
The hockey masks are the worst thing to ever happen to the game. Ugly and just ridiculous.
Posted by NerdBird on 2016-01-12 17:05:08
High Elves suck hard until they get developed catchers. Ironic the stars of their team are Av 7. In ranked you can develop some lineman, in the box not so much. And Av 8 really doesn't mean much since you have 6 or 7 other players you have to protect. The lineman are just throw aways.....
Posted by Verminardo on 2016-01-12 17:14:32
1. Numbers are fun.
2. High Elves are fun.
3. I like starting with 3 Rerolls to somewhat make up for the lack of starting skills. Once the team developes they are a lot like Darkies but with the benefit of higher speed and passing skills. I find that many coaches underestimate passing skills. You don't need them in the matches you dominate anyway, but they've won me many close matches, and those are the ones that count, aren't they?
4. I have yet to accomplish a real Sacker (Wrestle Strip Leap) on a High Elf team.
5. Guard is king.
2. High Elves are fun.
3. I like starting with 3 Rerolls to somewhat make up for the lack of starting skills. Once the team developes they are a lot like Darkies but with the benefit of higher speed and passing skills. I find that many coaches underestimate passing skills. You don't need them in the matches you dominate anyway, but they've won me many close matches, and those are the ones that count, aren't they?
4. I have yet to accomplish a real Sacker (Wrestle Strip Leap) on a High Elf team.
5. Guard is king.
Posted by thoralf on 2016-01-12 17:20:27
"The hockey masks are the worst thing to ever happen to the game."
Some coaches don't seem to realize that Spiro's monitoring all we're saying.
Some coaches don't seem to realize that Spiro's monitoring all we're saying.
Posted by the_Sage on 2016-01-12 17:29:51
Blanket AV8 + access to ST3 MA8 is pretty kick-ass (once your TV > 1800 or so).
To me, high elves work best with a duo of guys like these:
https://fumbbl.com/p/player?player_id=8853451
https://fumbbl.com/p/player?player_id=8564193
Good luck CS.
To me, high elves work best with a duo of guys like these:
https://fumbbl.com/p/player?player_id=8853451
https://fumbbl.com/p/player?player_id=8564193
Good luck CS.